Things usually go like this:
- Release a plugin, a teaser and/or a demo.
- In case there's issues (there always are), avoid to explain anything or fix these very issues.
- In case there's more serious issues (such as the "borrowed" code thing), entirely dissapear from KVR for a while.
- Come back with some forum replies (in other threads, of course).
- Tell your "users" that there's been private issues.
- Never get back to fixing older plugins.
- Release a new plugin.
All no good already.
But what's really confusing me, making me wonder whether there's really something wrong with this dudes brain:
How many even remotely serious developers do you know that have a link to their website in their signature, but that website would still announce a 4-5 year old vaporware product, the only clickable link leading to a dubious Soundclick page? I do exactly know ZERO other developers who'd do anything like that. Now, perhaps he's got no access to the domain/server anymore - but then, why not at LEAST remove that link from his signature?
- Sascha
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRAF
- 2909 posts since 15 Feb, 2007 from ...in the butt
Cuz then he couldnt taunt anyone... he'd be a regular KvR schmo then. Wheres the fun in that?Sascha Franck wrote:but then, why not at LEAST remove that link from his signature?
At least this way he can pretend to himself that he holds the "ultimate" amp sim and stick his tongue out at the rest of us. Personally i dont see how his amp sim could hold up after five years compared to the likes of Acme Bar Gig, LePou, and now TSE.
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 28 Jan, 2009
Soundspectral -
I don't know anything about your past plugins. Sounds like you were developing several VSTs that fell through for various reasons - that's fair enough, shit happens. Stealing code? Hope someone has some proof to back up that allegation.
If I were you I'd change your name. Not sure how much you've got invested in 'Soundspectral' (any?) but it's not worth enduring the mud you've got from these forums. Small plugin developers rely a lot on this forum (and others) to get business (unfortunately)..especially if it isn't something original and/or useful.
The thing to remember is the actual plugin is %50. the other half is your webpage/the way you market your product/pretty GUI/the 'feeling' of it being worth the money (this is in fact much more important than the actual plugin being worth the money in reality)
Don't bother announcing until you've a demo ready. Don't post too many updates or notices until you know you'll finish the plugin.
Sounds like you have problems with completing stuff - work out what has stopped you in the past and work to your strengths. If it's a one man business consider teaming up with someone who has more long term follow through with projects. Find someone who's good with webpages, pay them money - it's an investment.
I don't know anything about your past plugins. Sounds like you were developing several VSTs that fell through for various reasons - that's fair enough, shit happens. Stealing code? Hope someone has some proof to back up that allegation.
If I were you I'd change your name. Not sure how much you've got invested in 'Soundspectral' (any?) but it's not worth enduring the mud you've got from these forums. Small plugin developers rely a lot on this forum (and others) to get business (unfortunately)..especially if it isn't something original and/or useful.
The thing to remember is the actual plugin is %50. the other half is your webpage/the way you market your product/pretty GUI/the 'feeling' of it being worth the money (this is in fact much more important than the actual plugin being worth the money in reality)
Don't bother announcing until you've a demo ready. Don't post too many updates or notices until you know you'll finish the plugin.
Sounds like you have problems with completing stuff - work out what has stopped you in the past and work to your strengths. If it's a one man business consider teaming up with someone who has more long term follow through with projects. Find someone who's good with webpages, pay them money - it's an investment.
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- KVRAF
- 2054 posts since 3 Jun, 2001 from Not far from Australia
What is this kind of nonsense!?Sascha Franck wrote: In addition, he also released a SynthEdit based creation that (for obvious reasons) extracted the source VST DLLs into the data folder which were not his but property of MDA. And while the MDA stuff is freeware, it has never been meant to be used in a derivative product. This very event never got cleared, either. There's certainly been no permission given to Midiworks to re-use the plugins by (MDAs) Paul Kellet.
I never ever released a plug-in that contained anything that was not created originally for it.
I take this as a heavy insult!
All of my free programs can still be found, but now years after the release of my free VST plug-ins suddenly the highly frustrated Sasha boy claims that I would have been using MDA plug-ins inside my plug-ins, which is totally untrue!
Enough is enough, I wonder who's paying that guy to just discredit everything that I do?
It is so ridiculous after three years that I did not post anything in the famous guitar topic he is crying and shouting about it!
After three years!!!
After 1 1/2 years that I did not presented any plug-in,
I have to deal with all this nonsense here again, why?
Is this really for real?
Something similar happened each time I wanted to release a plug in, every time!
Is it really so hard to understand how much this can upset?
Everybody can read up the old topics and see for themselves that every time it turned out to be nasty.
I just want to release my plug-ins in peace but this seems to be impossible.
And yes, those are always the same handful of people starting the KVR popcorn partys...
DSP with attitude
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- angelboy
- 4586 posts since 21 Aug, 2001 from Larnaca, Cyprus
TBH I really can't see what Rene did that is so evil and wrong, but I was never on the infamous thread I keep hearing about. As I understand it, he didn't take anybody's money and ran away with it - he just made some promises he didn't keep but so what - he owes us nothing.
What I distinctly remember is another company taking people's money and vanishing and then returning a couple of years (or was it more?) later to offer the serial numbers to the synths to the persons that ordered it. I also remember some people going nuts and some others forming a hippy circle and asking other members to forgive him. Why can't the same happen here, especially since he deceived no-one?
Rene took nobody's money and if his products (or some of them) are indeed vaporware, it only hurts his reputation. What exactly did he do to deserve this kind of crucifixion?
What I distinctly remember is another company taking people's money and vanishing and then returning a couple of years (or was it more?) later to offer the serial numbers to the synths to the persons that ordered it. I also remember some people going nuts and some others forming a hippy circle and asking other members to forgive him. Why can't the same happen here, especially since he deceived no-one?
Rene took nobody's money and if his products (or some of them) are indeed vaporware, it only hurts his reputation. What exactly did he do to deserve this kind of crucifixion?
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
he also had his vocal pluggins that resembled avox to a "T" that were only avaiable for a matter of days (probably because Antares saw them), he had his acoustic sim that never materialized and he had his super compressor that never materialized. In fairness his drum mic positioner was released in the dev challenge but that was free.Lotuzia wrote:Just chiming in to say that -imho- you're a bit rude with the guy Sascha and Patton.
Ok he has failed on releasing one plug in. And his marketing techniques, as the link for the old plug are questionable ( Yes I also think it would be better they relate to the actual product)
But well, if ever this guy was about to release a stable plug in of his own, and finish his product this time, well shouldnt we let him ONE chance ?
I remember when I was younger that I wrote a complete program, and couldnt release it because ....... I just had no money to make the marketing
And then I wrote some more successfull code, and in the end I even started a company.
I dont know the personal story of this guy, and why he disapointed so much people in such a heavy way ( maybe because there was to much hope and waitings ?) but well he said he never stole anybody, and that he released free versions of his plugs so .....
Well ... is one chance too much demanding ? Doesnt anybody deserves the right to be judged actually on his real work, if the work comes out this time ?
Just my 0.02
LtZ
I do not think that anyone is being unfair to him when it comes to commercial pluggins. I think it's very valid to suggest that anyone stay away from buying from him. Free pluggins, sure, but giving him money is a risk imho.
The history of Rene who I like as a person is a history of failure as a businessman here on KvR.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
well for one thing in that thread he stated that because of the flack he got he gave the puggin to those he felt deserved it. But I do agree with you, he didn't runaway with anyone's money. Of course he didn't have the chance to either, I'm not going to be the first one to risk giving him money. He has put himself in the position to have to prove he is trustworthy, his word is no longer good enough. See my post above for other examples.TristezaOrange wrote:TBH I really can't see what Rene did that is so evil and wrong, but I was never on the infamous thread I keep hearing about. As I understand it, he didn't take anybody's money and ran away with it - he just made some promises he didn't keep but so what - he owes us nothing.
What I distinctly remember is another company taking people's money and vanishing and then returning a couple of years (or was it more?) later to offer the serial numbers to the synths to the persons that ordered it. I also remember some people going nuts and some others forming a hippy circle and asking other members to forgive him. Why can't the same happen here, especially since he deceived no-one?
Rene took nobody's money and if his products (or some of them) are indeed vaporware, it only hurts his reputation. What exactly did he do to deserve this kind of crucifixion?
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
how far the thread is in archives I have no idea, it was about AVOX and around September of 05 that he created his vocal pluggins to show that AVOX was crap. His words were "I ripped off this in a half hour" (not verbatim but the "ripped off" is). 4 years later he has not sold those pluggins unless you through the back door and ask him. It's not advertised at all and I strongly suspect it's due to Antares warning him.christ8449 wrote:Soundspectral -
I don't know anything about your past plugins. Sounds like you were developing several VSTs that fell through for various reasons - that's fair enough, shit happens. Stealing code? Hope someone has some proof to back up that allegation.
He did back track and say he meant "ripped off" as "whipped one out quickly", but I for one do question that and many people seemed to really want that pluggin. You be the judge, if that is that true or false, it's not proof and I'm not saying he did rip them off because I don't know.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 11311 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
This is crazy.
I don't see any justification for the attacks he is receiving. I've read through the damn thread and yes I've read your posts too Hink and again, there's no justification for the level of attacks he is receiving.
So what if his products become vapourware. He didn't take anyone's money, so GET OVER IT.
I've never seen anyone call someone a "tease" and claim that's justification for berating someone with insults.
As mentioned, shit happens. He has no obligation for completing a project and has no obligation for explaining. You don't like it, then don't buy from him.
There's absolutely no reason to call this guy an "idiot" and think that it can be justified when he hasn't stolen anything and it seems that all that was done was get a couple users hopes up and apparently crushed. Sounds petty to me since nothing was stolen.
I don't see any justification for the attacks he is receiving. I've read through the damn thread and yes I've read your posts too Hink and again, there's no justification for the level of attacks he is receiving.
So what if his products become vapourware. He didn't take anyone's money, so GET OVER IT.
I've never seen anyone call someone a "tease" and claim that's justification for berating someone with insults.
As mentioned, shit happens. He has no obligation for completing a project and has no obligation for explaining. You don't like it, then don't buy from him.
There's absolutely no reason to call this guy an "idiot" and think that it can be justified when he hasn't stolen anything and it seems that all that was done was get a couple users hopes up and apparently crushed. Sounds petty to me since nothing was stolen.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
OMG, click on his link it still shows his amp sim that never happened, look and you'll see the vocal suite, cick on that "downoads are suspended" 
How does he merit two accounts at KvR? Mods? We know this is frowned on and people have been banned for it. His using a two is deceptive at best, Mods I respectfully request that midiworks be held to the same standards as the rest of us and I request that one of his accounts be closed (or more because who knows how many he has).
How does he merit two accounts at KvR? Mods? We know this is frowned on and people have been banned for it. His using a two is deceptive at best, Mods I respectfully request that midiworks be held to the same standards as the rest of us and I request that one of his accounts be closed (or more because who knows how many he has).
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
his page has an active donate link via paypal for fx that are not available, is that acceptable to you?elxicano wrote:This is crazy.
I don't see any justification for the attacks he is receiving. I've read through the damn thread and yes I've read your posts too Hink and again, there's no justification for the level of attacks he is receiving.
So what if his products become vapourware. He didn't take anyone's money, so GET OVER IT.
I've never seen anyone call someone a "tease" and claim that's justification for berating someone with insults.
As mentioned, shit happens. He has no obligation for completing a project and has no obligation for explaining. You don't like it, then don't buy from him.
There's absolutely no reason to call this guy an "idiot" and think that it can be justified when he hasn't stolen anything and it seems that all that was done was get a couple users hopes up and apparently crushed. Sounds petty to me since nothing was stolen.
Note I did not call him an idiot, I like Rene but then I have a lot friends I wouldn't do business with.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 2054 posts since 3 Jun, 2001 from Not far from Australia
Yes Hink, I think it comes down to that,
a handful of people back then got my guitar amplifier and it seems like our special friend is so upset because he was not one of them...
(Otherwise how to explain his rant after three years?)
About the vocal doubler,
as everybody know, English is not my native language, so sometimes things come over in a way that I did not intend to, sorry about that.
I had every right in the world to do what I did!
Yes, I create his a better doubler, sounding much cleaner and using only a third of the CPU...
If "ripped off" was misunderstood this was my mistake and I explained that back then in the topic.
So I really wonder what this has to do here in this topic.
To me it seems as some people would like to delay me that much, so I won't be able to release the plug-in in time, so they can have another popcorn party.
About business,
apart from those two vocal plug-ins which I sold for €10 each, I never released any commercial VST plug-ins.
I only charged money for those because I did not meant to hurt that company by releasing it as freeware.
So, it would be great if it would be possible to get back to the initial content of the topic.
Instead of defending myself endlessly and wasting precious time getting the demo version ready.
a handful of people back then got my guitar amplifier and it seems like our special friend is so upset because he was not one of them...
(Otherwise how to explain his rant after three years?)
About the vocal doubler,
as everybody know, English is not my native language, so sometimes things come over in a way that I did not intend to, sorry about that.
I had every right in the world to do what I did!
Yes, I create his a better doubler, sounding much cleaner and using only a third of the CPU...
If "ripped off" was misunderstood this was my mistake and I explained that back then in the topic.
So I really wonder what this has to do here in this topic.
To me it seems as some people would like to delay me that much, so I won't be able to release the plug-in in time, so they can have another popcorn party.
About business,
apart from those two vocal plug-ins which I sold for €10 each, I never released any commercial VST plug-ins.
I only charged money for those because I did not meant to hurt that company by releasing it as freeware.
So, it would be great if it would be possible to get back to the initial content of the topic.
Instead of defending myself endlessly and wasting precious time getting the demo version ready.
DSP with attitude
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- KVRAF
- 2054 posts since 3 Jun, 2001 from Not far from Australia
So why would anybody donate anything?Hink wrote: his page has an active donate link via paypal for fx that are not available, is that acceptable to you?
( anyway, that webpage wasn't promoted for years)
But you're right I should've taken down that webpage along time ago.
Fact is I could not access the server for about two years even though I paid for it.
I only kept the hosting service because they would'nt free my domain name...
Thanks to everybody who had some kind and understanding and supportive words, this feels good good for change.
I really appreciate them.
Thank you.
DSP with attitude