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ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri May 06, 2011 1:54 am

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MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Fri May 06, 2011 6:56 pm

ttoz wrote:TBH i couldn;t think of anything i need more right now.

If they do something REALLY clever and add a midi control open/close option, i'll cum (i'm on mac, there is no 64 bit midi gate)

Agree. I use Sonalksis gate, of course if FF have introdiced something creative then they will get some £££'s from my account. I do wish they would go oback to something with a creative edge which they do extremely well.

Don't get me wrong their Pro-C, Pro-L,Pro-Q are all goto's. I still think their Timeless and Volcano are brilliant and useful. I would like to see more creative plugins from them. It feels like a lot of commercial Dev's are more over to the trends of Comps, Analogue this, clone that, strip you and eq that...but we will see and I am sure we will.

Exhile · Post by **Exhile** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:04 am

Youtube video. Released monday mei 9th.

I'l be getting this if i get a very good discount as i own all other plugs. I just love the waveform view and the 64 bit. I think it will be the only gate you'l i will need

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:11 am

A good gate is something that nobody should be without. I use kjaerhus GAG-1 all the time.

It can be especially useful in a parallel setting where you want to create a "mo-town" parallel squash bus kind (EQ scoop -> heavy compression -> saturation -> etc) of thing, but only want to highlight the drums. Then you simply insert a good gate, making sure only the drums come through properly and then squash the living daylights out of the whole thing!

Believe it or not but you can even use a good "gate" (expander in this case) in mastering. If a track is way too squashed and you want some of the drum transients back in a natural fashion, you simply insert a GOOD (program dependent/smart) gate/expander, set it to very gentle ratios, perhaps only 1.1 or even 1.05:1 and set the threshold, attack and release so that you gently emphasize the differences between each peak and the sustained material. It can be a very subtle but effective thing.

Now imagine a gate where you can do all this and have full mid/side support (for instance in the mastering scenario I just described, you can have the mids work as a trigger for the sides.. meaning you can do subtle stereo widening in a nice dynamic way by increasing the dynamic range of the sides, using the mid as trigger! (@ttoz: or MIDI)

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Cheers!
bManic

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:32 am

ttoz wrote:If they do something REALLY clever and add a midi control open/close option, i'll cum

Get the tissues ready.

Dr.Gunjah · Post by **Dr.Gunjah** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:33 am

judging by the video it seems interesting.
I'm only missing a hystheresis control.... Isn't it essential for a gate ?

Cheers,
Doc

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:43 am

Hysteresis is preset, with different amounts for each style.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:45 am

Dr.Gunjah wrote:judging by the video it seems interesting.
I'm only missing a hystheresis control.... Isn't it essential for a gate ?

Cheers,
Doc

Yes it is, but like Dan said, it's included inside each style in different amounts (perhaps even program dependent). It was decided to keep the gate as simple to use as possible. Kjaerhus GAG-1, which has no hysteresis control, is extremely simple but probably one of the best gates ever created (until now

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Cheers!
bManic

Dr.Gunjah · Post by **Dr.Gunjah** » Sat May 07, 2011 11:06 am

thanks bmanic & IIRs for pointing this out.
I'm still skeptic... I fear a hysteresis knob might have been "more simple" than having the user to fiddle around with those presets with their "hidden" hysteresis settings.
If it's program dependant it's just a matter of time until you face a situation where it won't work like you want it to :/

Well, demo version will show it.

Cheers,
Doc

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sat May 07, 2011 11:24 am

Dr.Gunjah wrote:If it's program dependant it's just a matter of time until you face a situation where it won't work like you want it to :/

Perhaps. I haven't found one yet! I'm also a former GAG-1 user btw, and never really missed a hysteresis control on that either.

Pure speculation here, but I suspect that its not so easy to combine a simple hysteresis control with a ratio knob for downwards expansion... if its a hard gate with an infinite ratio then hysteresis is a fairly simple matter of implementing different thresholds for opening and closing. In this case the gate always produces instant jumps in gain, and you rely on the attack and release smoothing to iron these out and remove clicks.

If you have a gentle downwards expansion setting you can't suddenly change the threshold when the volume levels change direction, as this would introduce the sudden gain changes that downwards expansion is designed to avoid. I'm imagining there must be some complex system where the ratio changes as well, perhaps in proportion to the distance from the threshold... its making my brain hurt a little to be honest.

fwiw, none of the industry standard hardware gates I am used to have a hysteresis control... actually very few offer a ratio parameter either; a gate/expander switch is usually the closest you get.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun May 08, 2011 4:13 am

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TitusRaindrops · Post by **TitusRaindrops** » Sun May 08, 2011 6:38 am

What they've done is package alien mind control. Every time I watch one of these tutorials, I just can't wait to unburden myself of my money... I honestly dont think I need this, but it's blue! And it has a graph. And big knobs?

Waker · Post by **Waker** » Sun May 08, 2011 10:34 am

This seem like a no brainer. Fabfilter FTW.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun May 08, 2011 12:30 pm

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audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Sun May 08, 2011 4:27 pm

It's pretty difficult for me to understand how my gates are responding to the material, so I usually avoid them unless absolutely necessary. I think Pro-G will change that; it looks comprehensive, provides visual feedback and has a number of uses.

Kudos FabFilter and all involved.

FabFilter Pro-G ???