KVR Audio

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:50 am

I find the new preset conversion quite confusing. I read the manual and it said to convert patches, move them to /Library/Audio/Presets/GForce/impOSCar2. This folder seems to be the aupreset folder as it is full of only aupresets. So I moved my fxbs there and they showed up in the browser. Now I converted them and they turned to aupresets in folders. ok, so is aupreset the default patch type now? The first conversion was just a test, I decided I wanted to put all my converted patches into a V1 folder to keep separate from the new factory patches. So I deleted the new folders it created. However refreshing the browser did not remove them. I first placed my fxbs into a new folder and converted them. However now I have both showing up in my browser even though only the new folder is there. Now the old fxbs are still showing with a C even though I deleted them. It's very weird. The only way I found to delete this folder that doesn't exist from the browser was to reinstall imposcar2.

Also, where are these patches by Darren Price etc? The videos show folders by the authros name. I see only patches organized by type... Is there are way to find patches by author?

awol9000 · Post by **awol9000** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:51 am

JonHodgson wrote:Unfortunately, I've found that if you give unison to patch developers they feel compelled to use it on everything, it's quite depressing really, I work hard to optimize code to use less CPU use, and they reach straight for the unison knob and chew it up again.

LOL

Glad to see it finally materialize.

What a week, first Z3ta 2 and now this!

JonHodgson · Post by **JonHodgson** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:52 am

rob_lee wrote:
JonHodgson wrote:
TristezaOrange wrote:For Mac only at first? I am not going to purchase it for PC when it's out, out of principle. Normally I don't mind if something is Mac-only at first (I'm getting Aalto very soon) but we have been waiting for this for ages and the best they can do is Mac-only?

Seriously, I don't know why I'm so pissed off at this!
I agree! As a Windows user I think it's disgraceful!!

Who developed this thing? He should be dealt with accordingly!!

Oh, erm, it was me

Actually it's just how things came together, we'd set a date (the Touch Digital guys have invested a lot of money and really needed it released) and then some beta testers finally woke up and told us about some small problems, the mac ones were reported first and were easier to sort out.

Ironic since most of the time the windows version has been done first.
Shame on you When do we get a windows version John? Or better still you could sub me for a mac lol.
Really hope there's a windows version soon

Rob

Sub you?

If enough people don't buy this thing I won't be able to afford a sub for my lunch! I've already had to stop maxxing to the foot longs to save money!

If I predict the PC release date then I'm sure to Jinx it, but I can tell you it won't be for at least a week because I'm taking a short break to go to France and meet family I haven't seen in years, including a 2 year old niece I haven't met before ever, and see my cousin getting married.

But I'll be travelling with my laptop, so even that won't stop development completely, and when I get back it will get my full attention... so long as the Mac guys behave themselves and don't break it.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:54 am

You MAC people better not break it for us then!!!

JonHodgson · Post by **JonHodgson** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:07 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote:I find the new preset conversion quite confusing. I read the manual and it said to convert patches, move them to /Library/Audio/Presets/GForce/impOSCar2. This folder seems to be the aupreset folder as it is full of only aupresets. So I moved my fxbs there and they showed up in the browser. Now I converted them and they turned to aupresets in folders. ok, so is aupreset the default patch type now? The first conversion was just a test, I decided I wanted to put all my converted patches into a V1 folder to keep separate from the new factory patches. So I deleted the new folders it created. However refreshing the browser did not remove them. I first placed my fxbs into a new folder and converted them. However now I have both showing up in my browser even though only the new folder is there. Now the old fxbs are still showing with a C even though I deleted them. It's very weird. The only way I found to delete this folder that doesn't exist from the browser was to reinstall imposcar2.

Also, where are these patches by Darren Emmerson and the guy from Orbital? The videos show folders by the persons name. I see only patches organized by type...

What patch type did you install? The default should have been set to that.

I knew this would confuse some people. The patch system is intended to cater for as many options as possible, some people like to access patches through the host, some through the browser, some seem to do both. There are two possible approaches to this, a lot of plugin developers just say "screw the host, it's our way or the highway"... I (probably foolishly) tried to cater for everyone.

It can read any patch type, if you never want to access through the host and only use the browser you don't even need to know about converting in that case, convertion is only really to convert it to a type the host can see.

What should be happening is that you set the patch type to whatever you want it to be (I recommend picking the patch type supported by your favourite host).. the easiest way to do that is to just select that one patch type the first time you install (you can also do it by editing the sup file), and then you drop any new patches of any type into the folder tree.

At that point you can read them through the browser, but if you want to be able to see them in the host (e.g. the drop down menus in logic) then hit the "c" icon and it will convert them to the patch type you chose.

It's a lot harder to explain than it is to use.

If refreshing the browser doesn't seem to help, try a hard refresh, which is CMD+Click on the refresh button, that builds the patch tree from scratch again.

But from your description something doesn't sound right, it should have recognized that you'd deleted those folders when you did a normal refresh.

JonHodgson · Post by **JonHodgson** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:08 am

trimph1 wrote:You MAC people better not break it for us then!!!

Could you have a word with Echoes In The Attic please?

I don't know if he's broken it, but it sounds like he's bruised it.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:36 am

I just did another test and converted the default V1 bank. Then deleted both the backup fxb that it creates from the original and the new auprest folder and the browser did refresh properly this time. Something was weird before when I only deleted one of them first I think. To be honest I can't remember the order which I deleted the new folder and the backup last time. But something seemed to get stuck in memory some how. Good to know about the cmd refresh though, thanks.

What confuses me though is this: At installation, I told it to install both VST presets and aupresets. I tend to use fxp/fxb more. But I don't see any imp2 fxb anywhere at all. For V1 they were at /Library/Application Support/GForce/impOSCar. But the equivalent path for v2 (/Library/Application Support/GForce/impOSCar2) has nothing much in it, certainly no fxp or fxb. And what is REALLY confusing is that when you mouse over the patches in the default patch library in the imp2 browser, the path doesn't correspond to any actual path on disc. I see stuff like Inst/System/Pads/FullFatPad. That path doesn't exist. So I don't even know what format these V2 presets are that I'm seeing in the browser or where they are. From what I can tell they seem to correspond to the aupresets in /Library/Audio/Presets/GForce/impOSCar2. And when I convert from V1 presets, they show up here as aupresets. So to me it looks like aupresets are the new default preset type. At installation I told it to install both aupresets and VST presets, but I don't care about aupresets at all, I'd rather use the fxb if possible and only access presets via the plug-in, but I do use Logic so I was being safe. Pretty confusing, but as far as I understand, V2 uses aupresets as it's main type?

On an unrelated note, the volume seems quite drastically reduced in this version. I was replacing some instances in existing tracks with the new version and I had to put the track at a much higher level to get the same sound sound, sometimes even insert a utility device to pump it up. For example I had one instance that needed to be at +5db to be at the same peaking volume as previously at -2db. Even checked V1 side by side V2 on another track to make sure. I loaded some defualt V1 presets into both and the sound was about the same at -2db on V1 and +5db on V2. Strange.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:42 am

Blimey, I just realized that there are both aupresets and fxps in the same folders! Sorry, now I get it. How does it know which one to use in the browser? Is the browser chosing the fxps then? But the path thing is confusing....

And the level difference from V1 is still weird.

JonHodgson · Post by **JonHodgson** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:20 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Blimey, I just realized that there are both aupresets and fxps in the same folders! Sorry, now I get it. How does it know which one to use in the browser? Is the browser chosing the fxps then? But the path thing is confusing....

And the level difference from V1 is still weird.

The path thing....

The paths are your normal Mac patch folders.

By default, on the Mac

/System/Inst corresponds to /Library/Audio/Presets/impOSCar2
/System/FX corresponds to /Library/Audio/Presets/impOSCar2FX

/User/Inst corresponds to ~/Library/Audio/Presets/impOSCar2
/User/FX corresponds to ~/Library/Audio/Presets/impOSCar2FX

Anything below that is subfolders on the disk.

You can edit the sup file and for example remove the user patch folder references.

If I'm slow to respond to people from now on it's because I'm travelling and have limited access to the net. That's if Ryan Air let me on the plane after their website has locked me out and now refuses to let me pay for the bag that I added to my booking, but also refuses to let me do the online checkin until I've paid.. AARRRGGHHHH!!!

C-note · Post by **C-note** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:09 am

Macs always seem to have more path issues than PC's. Is that why MAC was released first? 100 times less users and more issues to work out? If only MACs had a good Registry like Windows.

also I'm pissed that the PC version wasn't released first - Means I absolutely/without doubt/certainly won't upgrade from imposcar 1 for at least.......uh.......two days after it's released....

rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:50 am

Examigan wrote:
HelgeG wrote:
jacqueslacouth wrote:109 Euro to upgrade? Thanks but I'll pass.
It is €59 if you own the original (and did not buy imp1 at the crazy €39 sale).
I got mine as NFR, and can't upgrade. Rats..

With a second hand license you can't upgrade ?

....another lost sale here.

Alex

poonna · Post by **poonna** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:43 am

rasmusklump wrote:With a second hand license you can't upgrade ?

....another lost sale here.

Alex

Mine is second handed and I can upgrade.

zouki · Post by **zouki** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:15 am

rasmusklump wrote:
Examigan wrote:
HelgeG wrote:
jacqueslacouth wrote:109 Euro to upgrade? Thanks but I'll pass.
It is €59 if you own the original (and did not buy imp1 at the crazy €39 sale).
I got mine as NFR, and can't upgrade. Rats..

With a second hand license you can't upgrade ?

....another lost sale here.

Alex

where did you seen that?

Mine is NFR as well but it seems I can upgrade from my account, it's listed?!?...

Zouki

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:17 am

How is the basic raw sound compared to the v1? does it sound the same (without unison) or better? Just asking, the first one was good sounding synth as I recall from demoing ..

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:31 am

No PC version

I mean, MAC users are used to wait for ports so it doesn't hurt them - but make already impatient PC users wait?? Common!

ImpOSCar2 Is Actually Here (Mac And PC), No Really, It Is