What soft synth do you prefer over the virus?

[Doug B]

Btw... Afaik the price of Zebra2 is $236 (193€) VAT included)?

How did you figure that? It says right on the web site that the price is $199.
($150 with the dinosaur discount.

[hakey]

The cost of Zebra is $150 USD

and 25% of 150 is 37.5 or just at the 25% I mentioned in my original post

But there are a number of banks on the u-he site that are cheaper...

And you choose the one bank - Oldskool - that was considerably more than all of the others (what should really have been discarded as a statistical outlier) as your upper bound but, rather than the lowest price, you used the average price as your lower bound.

Highest (outlier) = upper bound, Average(not Lowest) = lower bound

It rather looks as though you're cherry picking the data to make your point.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

[digitalbeatsyndrome]

Alchemy, I hear Zebra is a beast too.

Alchemy not just cause it has a library sampled from the virus, but cause VA rocks... dont forget the virus has great DA conversion...

Alchemy Modulation routing is endless.

[VitaminD]

The cost of Zebra is $150 USD

and 25% of 150 is 37.5 or just at the 25% I mentioned in my original post

But there are a number of banks on the u-he site that are cheaper...

And you choose the one bank - Oldskool - that was considerably more than all of the others (what should really have been discarded as a statistical outlier) as your upper bound but, rather than the lowest price, you used the average price as your lower bound.

Highest (outlier) = upper bound, Average(not Lowest) = lower bound

It rather looks as though you're cherry picking the data to make your point.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

I already told you I averaged the price to get 38... if you don't believe me, I welcome you to average them yourself.

And even on the lower end of the spectrum (the lone (as in only) bank priced at 25 dollars) is still 17%. The majority of them are between 30 and 40 bucks.. I wouldn't have posted unless I had checked this stuff first

[hakey]

I already told you I averaged the price to get 38... if you don't believe me

That's not what I was getting at.

If you're going to use the highest price as your upper bound, you should use the lowest price as the lower bound, not the average!

[VitaminD]

I already told you I averaged the price to get 38... if you don't believe me

That's not what I was getting at.

If you're going to use the highest price as your upper bound, you should use the lowest price as the lower bound, not the average!

I did use it as the lowest bound. re-read.

[pdxindy]

The cost of Zebra is $150 USD

and 25% of 150 is 37.5 or just at the 25% I mentioned in my original post

But there are a number of banks on the u-he site that are cheaper...

And you choose the one bank - Oldskool - that was considerably more than all of the others (what should really have been discarded as a statistical outlier) as your upper bound but, rather than the lowest price, you used the average price as your lower bound.

Highest (outlier) = upper bound, Average(not Lowest) = lower bound

It rather looks as though you're cherry picking the data to make your point.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

I already told you I averaged the price to get 38... if you don't believe me, I welcome you to average them yourself.

And even on the lower end of the spectrum (the lone (as in only) bank priced at 25 dollars) is still 17%. The majority of them are between 30 and 40 bucks.. I wouldn't have posted unless I had checked this stuff first

There are at least 3-4 banks under $20... You did not check very thoroughly

Let's see... Forever 80's is $10.99
Annihilation Dubstep and DnB is $16.95

and the new Winter soundset is currently under $5


and you entirely ignored the dozens of soundsets that are free

[VitaminD]

The cost of Zebra is $150 USD

and 25% of 150 is 37.5 or just at the 25% I mentioned in my original post

But there are a number of banks on the u-he site that are cheaper...

And you choose the one bank - Oldskool - that was considerably more than all of the others (what should really have been discarded as a statistical outlier) as your upper bound but, rather than the lowest price, you used the average price as your lower bound.

Highest (outlier) = upper bound, Average(not Lowest) = lower bound

It rather looks as though you're cherry picking the data to make your point.

Lies, damned lies and statistics!

I already told you I averaged the price to get 38... if you don't believe me, I welcome you to average them yourself.

And even on the lower end of the spectrum (the lone (as in only) bank priced at 25 dollars) is still 17%. The majority of them are between 30 and 40 bucks.. I wouldn't have posted unless I had checked this stuff first

There are at least 3-4 banks under $20... You did not check very thoroughly

Let's see... Forever 80's is $10.99
Annihilation Dubstep and DnB is $16.95

and the new Winter soundset is currently under $5


and you entirely ignored the dozens of soundsets that are free

The average is taken from the U-he website.

My posts seem to be missing sentences for certain people who dislike what I say. I did not ignore the soundsets that are free - I mentioned them politely in a post above.


Even if we add those outside of it to the running average, the price is still within the range I stated.

[pdxindy]

My posts seem to be missing sentences for certain people who dislike what I say.

I don't dislike what you say... what you say is factually incorrect. So I corrected it. You claimed that the cheapest soundset is $25... That is a false statement and I demonstrated it as such... Perhaps you can just admit you were wrong rather than throwing up some smokescreen about people not liking what you are saying!


I also think your general statement is misleading and is cherry picking data to fit your conclusion.

You mention the tons of Virus presets that are free or for little charge and then compare that to the more expensive Zebra soundsets. You can find lots of Virus soundsets that cost in the same range as the more costly Zebra soundsets. I just found a website that sells Virus Ti soundsets and has 8 available for an average price of $39. Hmmm, sound familiar?

You can also find dozens of Zebra soundsets that are free or cheap. You can download like 4000 Zebra presets that are free... with more showing up all the time...

There, your basic argument that you have to pay a lot of money to get Zebra presets when you don't have to with a Virus is debunked.

[digitalboytn]

[quote="digitalbeatsyndrome"]Dont forget the virus has great DA conversion...

quote]

But not nearly as good as the D/A convertors on the latest audio interfaces...

The quality of the convertors on the TC Impact Twin blew my sox off...

So I replaced a couple of ProFire 2626's with 4 x TC Impact Twins...

Modular versatility

What soft synth would I use instead of a Virus ?

well it could be any of these really...

Zebra,Diva,ACE,Z3TA+2,Rapture or even Dimension Pro....

Much more versatility and flexibility...

It's a no brainer really

[VitaminD]

My posts seem to be missing sentences for certain people who dislike what I say.

I don't dislike what you say... what you say is factually incorrect. So I corrected it. You claimed that the cheapest soundset is $25... That is a false statement and I demonstrated it as such... Perhaps you can just admit you were wrong rather than throwing up some smokescreen about people not liking what you are saying!

Give me a break. The cheapest bank on the u-he website IS $25. That is where I got that figure.

I also think your general statement is misleading and is cherry picking data to fit your conclusion.

You mention the tons of Virus presets that are free or for little charge and then compare that to the more expensive Zebra soundsets. You can find lots of Virus soundsets that cost in the same range as the more costly Zebra soundsets. I just found a website that sells Virus Ti soundsets and has 8 available for an average price of $39. Hmmm, sound familiar?

You can also find dozens of Zebra soundsets that are free or cheap. You can download like 4000 Zebra presets that are free... with more showing up all the time...

There, your basic argument that you have to pay a lot of money to get Zebra presets when you don't have to with a Virus is debunked.

You are missing my point and are cherry picking your own to suit your argument against me.

If you disagree, you have every right and I won't stop you. I hope you can agree however that what I've pointed out is fact. I mean just go add up the costs of each zebra commercial bank on their site and divide by the cost of the synth using it. I didn't make up numbers, they are all available on the interwebs. And since we are both on the interwebs, nothing is being hidden. You are free to even include the ones you listed, as long as you include the 62 and the 84 dollar ones I mentioned.

But, Yes, I'm sure there are 40 dollar TI banks. However, Considering all the free, themed ones available (Access releases them on their own website! 15 pages worth of themed sounds, many from commercial artists), you really would not need them. Besides, $39/$1300 = 3% of value of the synth.

The Virus has a huge userbase of commercial artists releasing sounds too. Not the case with Zebra or most softsynths at this point.

To make it fair.. the Virus bank would have to cost $208 to match even the cheapest one on the u-he site.

I don't want 4000 crappy patches suited for 60's sci fi soundtracks. This is the point of paying money for presets.. to get a quality set geared for a specific style of music (or at least the style one buying them wants to make) designed by someone who truly knows what they are doing.

[pdxindy]

My posts seem to be missing sentences for certain people who dislike what I say.

I don't dislike what you say... what you say is factually incorrect. So I corrected it. You claimed that the cheapest soundset is $25... That is a false statement and I demonstrated it as such... Perhaps you can just admit you were wrong rather than throwing up some smokescreen about people not liking what you are saying!

Give me a break. The cheapest bank on the u-he website IS $25. That is where I got that figure.

Give you a break?? You are wrong. The cheapest one is currently $5. It is on the u-he website. Here is the damn link

http://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/commercial.html

Top soundset called Winter - current introductory price $4.41

There are at least 3 others on the page that are under $20. I already named them but would you ever just listen and admit you are wrong? no of course not... which makes it a total waste of time to try to converse with you.

[GeorgeZ]

But the Virus is a softsynth so.............

My sentiment exactly!

[xamido]

I'm bored with Virus vs everything. In my ear virus is superior than any other softsynth i've ever had. End of the case. Why can't people just accept personal taste?

Not to go OOT much, the closest for me is sylenth. Lennard is a lazy genius!!

[CT]

What's the world coming to?

A brilliant synth like the nord modular G2 gets discontinued, but the overhyped, overpriced virus remains as popular as ever. Seriously, if the modular was re-launched, I would be all over it in 5 minutes.

Sold the virus, and never looked back. Im not interested in another virus, and dont think I will be unless the TI3 (or whatever comes next) is markedly different from the current crop of totally unintegrated viruses. In fact, I think I was plain stupid for buying it, but luckily recovered most of my money cause I found a sucker (who thought its the best thing ever) to buy it from me for a great price. Though I must clarify that the virus is not terrible or even bad. Its just about ok in my book.

Since then I have bought Zebra, dune, dcam, and ace, in addition to the few soft synths I had before, and feel I have much greater flexibility and power at a fraction of the cost.

And seriously, I dont get why theres a thread every week comparing soft synths to this overhyped, overpriced bullsh*t. Surely, ppl can pick something better to compare with.