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LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:39 pm

And so it begins...

Anyone who doesn't like Artist won't like Free either. It's kinda not for those people anyway. It's more (as I understand it) for the financially challenged who play acoustic instruments. Not that you can't make something good on the electronic front with Presence, you actually can with a little talent and patience.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:50 pm

CTStump wrote:You notice I didn't say it was better? I knew you come back with that response. Let's let those who try it make up their own minds with out making assertions as to what is better.Silly argument it's free anyway.

Everyone can try, I don't hinder anybody.

But I have to say, that the free version of PreSonus Studio One doesn't convince me. If I could load at least a few VSTi or VST, then I would try it - otherwise not.

The full version of PreSonus Studio One is indeed great (and much better than MuLab, I wouldn't even compare it to), but the free version is TOO restricted.

CTStump · Post by **CTStump** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:56 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:
CTStump wrote:You notice I didn't say it was better? I knew you come back with that response. Let's let those who try it make up their own minds with out making assertions as to what is better.Silly argument it's free anyway.
Everyone can try, I don't hinder anybody.

But I have to say, that the free version of PreSonus Studio One doesn't convince me. If I could load at least a few VSTi or VST, then I would try it - otherwise not.

The full version of PreSonus Studio One is indeed great (and much better than MuLab, I wouldn't even compare it to), but the free version is TOO restricted.

You made the assertion that it didn't come with an instrument I clarified that, I made a comparison with another FREE program. Let's leave it at that or this discussion will be taken over by a non issue in the first place, are we in agreement?

If not continue with out me.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:14 pm

CTStump wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
CTStump wrote:You notice I didn't say it was better? I knew you come back with that response. Let's let those who try it make up their own minds with out making assertions as to what is better.Silly argument it's free anyway.
Everyone can try, I don't hinder anybody.

But I have to say, that the free version of PreSonus Studio One doesn't convince me. If I could load at least a few VSTi or VST, then I would try it - otherwise not.

The full version of PreSonus Studio One is indeed great (and much better than MuLab, I wouldn't even compare it to), but the free version is TOO restricted.
You made the assertion that it didn't come with an instrument I clarified that, I made a comparison with another FREE program. Let's leave it at that or this discussion will be taken over by a non issue in the first place, are we in agreement?

If not continue with out me.

You have clarified that, and now I know that it has a sampler as instrument, which is Presence. But it would be useful if there was at least one other instrument, especially a synthesizer. Not a modular synth, but at least one with a few oscillators.

That's only a suggestion, you don't have to take your potential customers for serious, if you don't want to. I can buy any other DAW, too, there are several good ones.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:45 pm

I am installing the Free version now, but it makes me think a 'free' version without VST support is a bit daft, I personally think 'Studio One v2 FourTrack' would be a better idea, something limited to 4 tracks, but otherwise fully-featured and allowing a good scratchpad that would likely get many many adopters, and many many upgrades after people feel 4 tracks is too limiting. Plus for me it has some nostalgic value

Anyhow I hope to get to appreciate S1 more with this free version (my demo timed out before I could find any love for it). Just without VSTs I don't know what exactly I'll be able to do with it. Limitations should be there definitely, i understand not giving away the farm for free, just it seems VST support is the wrong thing to remove. Maybe make it only 2 audio and 2 midi tracks, similar to some versions of Live.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:57 pm

Actually having seen Presence I think it is a great free DAW. It is enough variety to make a track and tell if the workflow is what you want/need. One question though that can't be answered is if my plugins (especially midi effects like arps) will work. Allowing the use of one VST per project would resolve that.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:10 pm

One thing I really like about Studio One after playing with the midi editor is the groove system, that is really really cool.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:18 pm

braj wrote:One question though that can't be answered is if my plugins (especially midi effects like arps) will work. Allowing the use of one VST per project would resolve that.

That's what the demo is for. You can turn "free" into the demo at any time (I think) and when the demo expires it reverts back to the free version. 30 days should be more than enough time to test plugs..

The demo is free also... so seems like a non-issue.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:25 pm

LawrenceF wrote:
braj wrote:One question though that can't be answered is if my plugins (especially midi effects like arps) will work. Allowing the use of one VST per project would resolve that.
That's what the demo is for. You can turn "free" into the demo at any time (I think) and when the demo expires it reverts back to the free version. 30 days should be more than enough time to test plugs..

The demo is free also... so seems like a non-issue.

Yeah just right now I have a question if my collection of arps will work, the demo has timed out and so I can't tell. maybe someone can answer that for me? The built-in Presence sampler is really cool though, good selection and effects and it sips the CPU juice, I think this is my new laptop DAW

I'll play with it for a while, maybe it will win my heart. Hopefully I will get a positive answer on the midi plugin support, I seem to remember hearing it wasn't supported. Is there any built-in arp in the DAW?

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:40 pm

All of the plugs that come with it are publicly listed on the net, like all DAWS. If you don't see it there, it doesn't have it.

It's a question you can easily answer for yourself by just looking at the feature list.

http://studioone.presonus.com/what-are-the-versions/

Nothing there anywhere about midi plugs so I'd take a wild guess and say they aren't supported.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:42 pm

OH I see now you only get VST support with Producer? I thought I was a step away from buying Artist right now but I guess not. But the freebie is great to learn the system and maybe in time I'll get hooked and get Producer or better, especially if overall application performance improves or i get a new computer. Anyhow, nevermind my suggestion about VST support, I guess it doesn't matter much right now.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:43 pm

LawrenceF wrote:All of the plugs that come with it are publicly listed on the net, like all DAWS. If you don't see it there, it doesn't have it. It's a question you can easily answer for yourself by just looking at the feature list.

http://studioone.presonus.com/what-are-the-versions/

Nothing there anywhere about midi plugs so I'd take a wild guess and say they aren't supported.

Hey man no need to be pissy, it was just a question

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:48 pm

LawrenceF wrote:All of the plugs that come with it are publicly listed on the net, like all DAWS. If you don't see it there, it doesn't have it. It's a question you can easily answer for yourself by just looking at the feature list.

http://studioone.presonus.com/what-are-the-versions/

Nothing there anywhere about midi plugs so I'd take a wild guess and say they aren't supported.

Ah, another NON-ISSUE...

Are you really interested in potential customers??

And BTW, should I take your statement for serious: "It's more (as I understand it) for the financially challenged who play acoustic instruments."

That people with loads of acoustic instruments with a value of thousands of $ are financially challenged??

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:48 pm

@Braj: Sorry, didnt mean to be pissy. I think my attempt at humor (see the smiley) failed.

Sorry.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:52 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:Are you really interested in potential customers??

Huh? I don't work for PreSonus (or any other music company) so, no idea what you mean, I'm a mix engineer mostly, and my customers use all diferent kinds of daws.

I think you have mistakenly confused me with a PreSonus employee.

I'm not, just a user.

PreSonus Studio One FREE??!