Roland JV / XV-5080 - could a virtual synth be developed?

[CapnLockheed]

You also have to consider that probably some part of 'the Roland sound' lies in the hardware being used (D/A and so on). That aspect could probably be modelled, at an additional developing cost.

To me THIS is, as Frank Zappa would say, the crux of the biscuit. At this point
there are quite a few VSTi's that can load .syx patches of hardware synths. Do they have that same sound and feel as when loaded in the original hardware synths....almost never IMHO.

[kmonkey]

A lot of the JV patches are trying to emulate other instruments though like pianos, eps, organs, guitars, and popular synth patches. Other VSTs have already surpassed the JV in these areas.

I don't think you would have to develop a whole new VSTi. Any synth capable of 4 sample layers with filter/amp envelopes and LFOs and basic effects should be able to recreate JV patches.

Just reverse-engineer your favourite JV patches to see what short samples were layered and try and recreate it.


Me I don't bother, as I've still got an XP-50, but I'll be getting rid of it once I've imported all the music created on it into my DAW. I'm not that attached to its patches.

I always hear similar response but it just ain't true. There is something in JV series which make them stand out. A lot of these patches are made out of tiny samples yet for some reason they sound awesome. Sometimes unrealsitic but just plain musical and awesome. Unlike many of VST which supposedly surpassed old romplers..

[digitalboytn]

I think that Dimension Pro is closer to a JV/XV style Rompler than Rapture...

At least that's exactly how I have always thought of Dimension Pro...

It's a very powerful and under rated program...

Great for many of those "work horse" sounds

[Lotuzia]

A lot of the JV patches are trying to emulate other instruments though like pianos, eps, organs, guitars, and popular synth patches. Other VSTs have already surpassed the JV in these areas.

I don't think you would have to develop a whole new VSTi. Any synth capable of 4 sample layers with filter/amp envelopes and LFOs and basic effects should be able to recreate JV patches.

Just reverse-engineer your favourite JV patches to see what short samples were layered and try and recreate it.


Me I don't bother, as I've still got an XP-50, but I'll be getting rid of it once I've imported all the music created on it into my DAW. I'm not that attached to its patches.

I always hear similar response but it just ain't true. There is something in JV series which make them stand out. A lot of these patches are made out of tiny samples yet for some reason they sound awesome. Sometimes unrealsitic but just plain musical and awesome. Unlike many of VST which supposedly surpassed old romplers..

Just clever sound design magic dust.

These samples sets may well be tiny, but they have been very carefully preprocessed, by people who know what they want to hear in the end, who know how to mix them, and who can predict an instrument from the very first step of the creation of a preset. Add to that the very nice Roland effects,the nice filters : Workstations are not the result of random, or presets created into haste by more or less gifted people in a public beta, it's more the result of a culture, a sound journey that did not began yesterday.

Some will hate these kind of instruments, while other will think its hard to rival them as a whole in the Vsti field. To each his own.

Every gig I see, I can see Motifs everywhere, or Roland, Kurzweil or Korg units, and this is live situtations that you can say Wow ... these beasts sound right !

LtZ

[dalor]

Still have my XV3080 collecting dust under my bed lol - I agree the patches are brilliantly programmed and it was fun to program from scratch. All internal samples are (I believe) stored in 32 or even 22khz. Compared to new VSTs and sample libraries, the XV3080 is missing 'high end spark' / 'air', which is *only* noticeable when compared with other hi quality samples. But I believe this makes it such a great companion when using it in a musical context such as live recording or analog gear because it makes its sounds stand out more. Again, just my 2C.

[MrDuke]

The new Integra-7 hardware module (from Roland) has the insides of a 5080, the new SuperNatural sounds, the VA synth from the Jupiter-80 as well as all the SRX expansions cards from yesteryear.

Not really what the OP was asking for but I thought I'd share anyway.

So even though it's a product released in 2012, it's very much a "retro piece".