KVR Audio

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:53 am

tehlord wrote:
rob_lee wrote:
tehlord wrote:
rob_lee wrote:
tehlord wrote:
rob_lee wrote: This thing is still cool for anyone LOADED with WONGA and want instantly useable sounds right out of the box.

Rob

What, like a Virus?
LOL, well this months soundset sales went on the Virus Geoff.

Fcuk you
Lol next month a Slim Phatty

I thought you already had a Virus Snow?

I did till a week ago.. that was sold to go toward the BIG BOY so less to pay.. saved my patches though cause a couple of Virus banks will be released in summer

Rob

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:56 am

I'll got one again too..........one day.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:57 am

tehlord wrote:I'll got one again too..........one day.

Just put a sale on your soundsets you'll have the cash in 4 weeks "simple"

Rob

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:58 am

rob_lee wrote:
tehlord wrote:I'll got one again too..........one day.
Just put a sale on your soundsets you'll have the cash in 4 weeks "simple"

Rob

You're confusing me with Rob Lee

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:01 pm

tehlord wrote:
rob_lee wrote:
tehlord wrote:I'll got one again too..........one day.
Just put a sale on your soundsets you'll have the cash in 4 weeks "simple"

Rob

You're confusing me with Rob Lee

LOL.. Just make more soundsets Geoff, the quality is high you'll soon have a few banks out there, IMO reFX should open up that engine so i can knock out half price expansions. Never gonna happen though im NOT in the CLICK

Rob

zeep · Post by **zeep** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:14 pm

Yes. Nexus 2 is a great production tool and most expansions are spot on.
Well worth the money.

Now refx should let rob make a bank.

Brittlestem · Post by **Brittlestem** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:36 pm

cyphersuit wrote:
"there's heavy aliasing in Nexus and muddy, "flabby" bass where they've simply stretched the samples keyrange."
also afaik most of the bass-sounds are made from the nexus synth engine, not from samples, that's why they are listet as 0.0 mb files in the lower right tab.

A quick check of Rauschwerk2 and the FM soudnset show most of them using samples.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:53 pm

rob_lee wrote:
Lol next month a Slim Phatty

Hi mate,

good choice. Then you could check the bank i'm working on for it...

The money i got last year from selling a bunch of my softsynths went all into buying the Slim Phatty but it was worth it IMO.
I am currently investigating my softsynth setup and will maybe do another "clearout" of my softsynth rig. This could maybe even include stuff like e.g. Sylenth1, Synth Squad or even Alchemy (?!).

BTW i still got my Virus TI desktop (first version which i got a round 2005/2006) which i wanted to sell already last year. I'm still not sure if i keep or sell it.

Ingo

cyphersuit · Post by **cyphersuit** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:34 pm

re_mute wrote:
cyphersuit wrote:
"there's heavy aliasing in Nexus and muddy, "flabby" bass where they've simply stretched the samples keyrange."
also afaik most of the bass-sounds are made from the nexus synth engine, not from samples, that's why they are listet as 0.0 mb files in the lower right tab.
A quick check of Rauschwerk2 and the FM soudnset show most of them using samples.

obviously as those are based around sampling older synths. still most of the basses are synthesized in nexus2.

- so you have heavy aliasing with rauschwerk 2 and fm?
- nexus 1 or 2?
- which nexus version?
- what quality settings are you using?

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:26 pm

Manuel did say in a similar thread that at some point refx2 will be open, but I think he couldn't say when.

rsp

Brittlestem · Post by **Brittlestem** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:18 pm

cyphersuit wrote:
re_mute wrote:
cyphersuit wrote:
"there's heavy aliasing in Nexus and muddy, "flabby" bass where they've simply stretched the samples keyrange."
also afaik most of the bass-sounds are made from the nexus synth engine, not from samples, that's why they are listet as 0.0 mb files in the lower right tab.
A quick check of Rauschwerk2 and the FM soudnset show most of them using samples.
obviously as those are based around sampling older synths. still most of the basses are synthesized in nexus2.

Ahh, most of the bass sounds in Nexus don't use samples except those that use samples which is most of the bass sounds in Nexus.

The aliasing I'm referring to is heard in the higher notes for example in Single Layer Pad PD Ambient 3.
I'm not sure why you're treating my post as an issue to be solved or defended as I'm quite happy with Nexus2 - it's simply the sound quality compared to Omnisphere is poor IMO.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue May 01, 2012 1:00 pm

I find the price point complaining to be interesting, especially when I put it in perspective. Yes, VSTi banks are usually 'cheaper', but not always. I would expect patches with samples to be more expensive to start. If I look at it from a hardware perspective -

Audio CD were usually $99 for samples.
Samples in a particular format (Akai, etc.) were $199 to start.
ROM cards run from low $50 (some Roland JV80 cards that are NOT popular) to $150 for the Vintage and Voice cards.
EMU ROM's run $80 for the Composer card to $250+ for the Vintage ROM, depending on the day. Most EMU roms I'd say on average are about $125-$150. Not sure how much they were new back in 1999-2000 era.
Korg cards run $80-$300 for the orchestral two ROM set.

This is what the market sets it at as I'm basing it on Ebay solds over the last several years for new sound sets that would be "similar". Now granted, $10 for a sound set is a much easier impulse buy, but honestly, $65 for a good quality set of sounds (about $0.50 apiece) isn't too shabby.

Devon

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Tue May 01, 2012 1:09 pm

I don't believe the comparison to prices of olden days are valid at all..or hardware vs software. Technology has brought down prices so much...I think my 8-track adat was $3,000 for that I can buy a computer and audio card that can record probably 11 times that amount of tracks.........etc

rsp

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue May 01, 2012 1:59 pm

zvenx wrote:I don't believe the comparison to prices of olden days are valid at all..or hardware vs software. Technology has brought down prices so much...I think my 8-track adat was $3,000 for that I can buy a computer and audio card that can record probably 11 times that amount of tracks.........etc

rsp

You're comparing apples and oranges here. You're talking about the manufacturing of electronic goods of a recording device. I'm talking about the making of sound banks of which really hasn't changed over the last 30+ years; you still have to program the synth, you still have to record samples, you still have to figure out a storage medium to distribute on, etc. However, the storage medium that it is distributed on does dictate some of the cost, so I'll agree with you that far, but not the time and effort to get the sounds onto the medium. That could be short, that could be very long, depending on the content delivered and the person/people doing it. The media is the easy part in the end.

And I am quoting TODAY'S pricing above. I regularily buy, sell, and research pricing for sound banks across the board in hardware. The hardware vs. software doens't hold water in my opinion because the arguement is always the same around here; hardware is software running on hardware, which is exactly what your VSTi is, software running on hardware. We're still talking the end result of programmed sounds for synthesizers, regardless of platform.

Devon

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Tue May 01, 2012 2:06 pm

you are quoting today's prices on what might as well be vintage hardware or sounds for vintage hardware...no?

alo maybe I am missing your point....but weren't you the one who brought in hardware comparisons in the debate of nexus soundbanks being too expensive?

my whole point is that without a doubt every aspect of the recording process, cost of studio time, cost to make a studio, cost to buy tools to create a record etc have dropped tremendously, so a comparison of what it use to cost to me is moot.
rsp

Is ReFX Nexus2 worth getting?