State of Native Instruments Komplete Series

[DrGonzo]

So they aren't going to pull a Kore on Maschine just yet then? That's good to hear...

I personally think that dropping Kore was a huge mistake on their part, no doubt about it. I'm just glad that it runs well on my W7 64 bit systems...

ew

I know that. I'm just messing with you

[Uncle E]

Maschine-Maybe turns into a DAW in the future or NI team up with another company to do it?

It'd be a stretch.

Absynth 5- Not Sure
FM 8-Not Sure

For whatever reason, NI has hung on to Absynth and FM8 for the long haul.

Massive-Not sure

NI's most standout synth is at its peak of popularity, I can't imagine them changing it any time soon.

Guitar Rig- Maybe they drop guitar from it and just call it "The Rig". It will be used just as an effects rack maybe?

Good call!

Battery 3- The battery 3 library will get put in Kontakt 6 or the maschine library.

Yeah. I heard it'll show up within Kontakt just like a library, which will be rad.

[Uncle E]

it's offline time stretch, no excuse for that as maschine uses software they already have all the beat machine time stretch algos in Kontakt.

If NI put that into Maschine, people wouldn't have to buy Kontakt.

[DrGonzo]

it's offline time stretch, no excuse for that as maschine uses software they already have all the beat machine time stretch algos in Kontakt.

If NI put that into Maschine, people wouldn't have to buy Kontakt.

I cannot see anyone switching from Kontakt to Maschine just because Maschine would get decent time stretching.

/C

[ericj23]

it's offline time stretch, no excuse for that as maschine uses software they already have all the beat machine time stretch algos in Kontakt.

If NI put that into Maschine, people wouldn't have to buy Kontakt.

I cannot see anyone switching from Kontakt to Maschine just because Maschine would get decent time stretching.

/C

But can you see people with maschine not buying Kontakt because it already has all that sampler goodness - I can

[DrGonzo]

it's offline time stretch, no excuse for that as maschine uses software they already have all the beat machine time stretch algos in Kontakt.

If NI put that into Maschine, people wouldn't have to buy Kontakt.

I cannot see anyone switching from Kontakt to Maschine just because Maschine would get decent time stretching.

/C

But can you see people with maschine not buying Kontakt because it already has all that sampler goodness - I can

Yeah - if it had. But it doesn't come even close. Even with timestretch it would be like comparing a primitive caveman with the futuristic hackers of William Gibsons Neuromancer. Seriously - the last six f-ng months, I've been doing nothing else than just working in the depths of Maschine and Kontakt - and sample engine in Maschine is so damn primitive you want to cry.

Kontakt is cool and all - but the big thing about Kontakt is the libraries.

[awol9000]

Maschine is so damn primitive you want to cry.

NO MIDI IMPORT

I would like to know the reasoning behind that one.

[mandolarian]

Maschine is so damn primitive you want to cry.

NO MIDI IMPORT

I would like to know the reasoning behind that one.

Product Differentiation. It's a technical marketing term, you wouldn't understand.

[_leras]

Focus on maschine, it sure doesn't look like it at the moment.

NI have neglected maschine for months now and fnaly today we get an announcement that appart from offline time stretch (great)
They have not added any of the essential missing features to the upcoming 1.8

No midi import..ugh

No multi core support

No multi timbral plugin support.

No midi groove templates

No RX2 batch import or RX2 preview

In fact it makes me sad to say that Native Instruments are possibly the slowest developer out there.

I never thought I would be posting this, big NI fan but maschine and general software development from NI is painfully slow.

Plenty of sound packs though.

C'mon... somethings got to be left for v2 it was obvious from day one that quite a few of those would be V2 features....

[_leras]

Maschine-Maybe turns into a DAW in the future or NI team up with another company to do it?

It'd be a stretch.

Absynth 5- Not Sure
FM 8-Not Sure

For whatever reason, NI has hung on to Absynth and FM8 for the long haul.

Massive-Not sure

NI's most standout synth is at its peak of popularity, I can't imagine them changing it any time soon.

Guitar Rig- Maybe they drop guitar from it and just call it "The Rig". It will be used just as an effects rack maybe?

Good call!

Battery 3- The battery 3 library will get put in Kontakt 6 or the maschine library.

Yeah. I heard it'll show up within Kontakt just like a library, which will be rad.

Maschine v2 will be able to temp stretch lopos on the fly and will make it a proper ableton competitor for playing live I reckon.

Can't really see any of their main synths going anywhere. especially Massive for which a V2 with better fx, more waveforms, more routing and microtuning will sell like hotcakes for them!

Guitar Rig will stay guitar Rig. My personal wish for this is to be able to use the components outside of guitar rig. Like it has a cool reverbarator reverb, but I never use it just as a reverb as it's too annoying to load guitar rig then the reverb inside just to add a reverb.. plus automation can be a pain in GR...

I really hope there will be a battery 4 at some point, even if it just spruces up the GUI. And can't you load battery kits into Kontakt already?

[VitaminD]

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Battery 3- The battery 3 library will get put in Kontakt 6 or the maschine library.

Yeah. I heard it'll show up within Kontakt just like a library, which will be rad.

boo @ that.

Kontakt is bloated. I don't like using Kontakt. I do like using Battery 3, however. It is smaller (feature wise) and does the job as it should.

I was hoping Battery 4 would be Battery 3 with improved effects, resizable GUI, and synthesis.

[topaz]

It's very odd that their own product session drummer and other kontakt libraries with midi drag n drop are not supported by maschine. Let alone a sequencer with no sequence import. Very strange indeed.

Maschine is so damn primitive you want to cry.

NO MIDI IMPORT

I would like to know the reasoning behind that one.

[Uncle E]

Maschine v2 will be able to temp stretch lopos on the fly and will make it a proper ableton competitor for playing live I reckon.

I didn't think of that. Maschine v2 should be good. I'm even more excited about iMaschine v2.

I really hope there will be a battery 4 at some point, even if it just spruces up the GUI. And can't you load battery kits into Kontakt already?

Yes, that's a good point. I think it'd be a pretty cool addition to Kontakt, anyway.

[Uncle E]

I was hoping Battery 4 would be Battery 3 with improved effects, resizable GUI, and synthesis.

Synthesis would be cool, definitely a worthwhile update.

[bunnywrench]

it's offline time stretch, no excuse for that as maschine uses software they already have all the beat machine time stretch algos in Kontakt.

If NI put that into Maschine, people wouldn't have to buy Kontakt.

Nonsense. It's not as simple as just throwing in the already existing "time stretch algos in Kontakt". It's a lot more than some simple recoding and they want to make sure that it's done right before they implement it. You can bet they've been rewriting Maschine to have realtime elastique audio to take on Ableton Live. This would also make possible tempo automation for Maschine's scenes.

Native Instruments already indicated realtime timestretching for Maschine was on the roadmap way back in June of 2010: "Timestretching is on our development roadmap, as a real-time feature, not just an offline process in the sample editor. Regarding the "when" - when it's ready."
Maschine on the Record #1 - NI User Forums

So what we get now for Maschine 1.8 is the "offline process in the sample editor" they mentioned back then and we know NI is still going to implement realtime timestretch for Maschine which they've been working on for quite some time now and that they'll make sure to take the time to do it right.