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JimmiG wrote:
VitaminD wrote:Of course. However, Ramping ANY processor beyond it's default specification (aka 'overclocking') is going to reduce the lifespan of the processor. Otherwise they would just sell the CPU at max possible clock and rake in the dough.
Not entirely true unless you really push the CPU to the limit. The biggest danger to your CPU is temperature, which will make the CPU degrade faster. Now the coolers that Intel bundle with their CPUs are simply not very good (to put it mildly). The work just fine as long as you don't overclock, but even then, the temperature will be quite high (though well within the limits specified by Intel).
Chances are that with an aftermarket cooler and good thermal grease, even a moderately overclocked CPU will run cooler than a non-overclocked CPU with the stock cooler. Overclockers typically also have large, well ventilated cases, which makes other components like hard drives, video cards and RAM run cooler, extending their service life and minimizing the risk of data loss. To be honest, I would trust an overclocked system built by a skilled enthusiast more than something from Dell or whatever.

The reason Intel limits the clock speed is to keep the "TDP" at a low level (95W but ideally <65W) so the CPUs can go into very small, quiet systems. They don't want to go back to the days of the Pentium 4, where each new CPU model used more power than the old one and OEM's had to invest in expensive cooling, ducted fans etc. Rather than spending the money to certify high-wattage "enthusiast" CPUs for a small niche market, they simply let overclockers and enthusiasts experiment themselves to get the most performance out of their CPUs
I've been around computers since the days of 286s and know what thermal breakdown looks like. It is usually a slow degrade and random, quirky issues over a long period of time. It is not much different than using a power adder (such as a turbo) on your car's engine -- You apply more pressure (or electricity in the Computer's case) to the system, you will wear stuff out sooner. Even at stock speeds there is a degradation over time... overclocking simply speeds up the process. If you are only keeping your system for 3 years and have sufficient cooling.. then no problem. If you are planning on keeping that system going 5+ years.. well.. take caution.

There is a reason there is only a 3 year warranty on your parts... even at stock clock.

However, IF you honestly believe what you said, I will by no means attempt to stop you.

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i had an amd quadcore phenom BE955 @3.8 ghz for over 3 years. no issues at all.
after years of just hype and no juice the intel i3/5/7 might be finally be worth getting....

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VitaminD wrote:
JimmiG wrote:
VitaminD wrote:Of course. However, Ramping ANY processor beyond it's default specification (aka 'overclocking') is going to reduce the lifespan of the processor. Otherwise they would just sell the CPU at max possible clock and rake in the dough.
Not entirely true unless you really push the CPU to the limit. The biggest danger to your CPU is temperature, which will make the CPU degrade faster. Now the coolers that Intel bundle with their CPUs are simply not very good (to put it mildly). The work just fine as long as you don't overclock, but even then, the temperature will be quite high (though well within the limits specified by Intel).
Chances are that with an aftermarket cooler and good thermal grease, even a moderately overclocked CPU will run cooler than a non-overclocked CPU with the stock cooler. Overclockers typically also have large, well ventilated cases, which makes other components like hard drives, video cards and RAM run cooler, extending their service life and minimizing the risk of data loss. To be honest, I would trust an overclocked system built by a skilled enthusiast more than something from Dell or whatever.

The reason Intel limits the clock speed is to keep the "TDP" at a low level (95W but ideally <65W) so the CPUs can go into very small, quiet systems. They don't want to go back to the days of the Pentium 4, where each new CPU model used more power than the old one and OEM's had to invest in expensive cooling, ducted fans etc. Rather than spending the money to certify high-wattage "enthusiast" CPUs for a small niche market, they simply let overclockers and enthusiasts experiment themselves to get the most performance out of their CPUs
I've been around computers since the days of 286s and know what thermal breakdown looks like. It is usually a slow degrade and random, quirky issues over a long period of time. It is not much different than using a power adder (such as a turbo) on your car's engine -- You apply more pressure (or electricity in the Computer's case) to the system, you will wear stuff out sooner. Even at stock speeds there is a degradation over time... overclocking simply speeds up the process. If you are only keeping your system for 3 years and have sufficient cooling.. then no problem. If you are planning on keeping that system going 5+ years.. well.. take caution.

There is a reason there is only a 3 year warranty on your parts... even at stock clock.

However, IF you honestly believe what you said, I will by no means attempt to stop you.
Dont bother wasting your breath, good sound advice but sadly with some people it goes in one ear and out the other. if people want to overclock and have the money to buy brand new Macs and PCs so be it. Just seems a bit too childish reading through this stuff..I mean cmon, cant people have a intelligent conversation these days without the teddy flying out of the cot. :(

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JimmiG wrote:CPUs have a limited life expectancy anyway because they become outdated and slow. Anyone want to try running Diva on a 2 GHz Pentium 4 single-core?
I would do, but our old computer barely runs windows, and U-He plugins aren't linux compatible :D
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Does this computer run as an instrument in FLStudio ? Or is it an effect ?

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