Propellerheads RE format not transferrable

[Debby747]

Welcome to the world of differences between physical goods and "intellectual" goods/licenses. There will likely be another decade or threetwo before these issues are ironed out uniformly throughout human society.

And to put it to even another angle:

We definitely need a different word to describe the act of "releasing"
when more and more items are not released (meaning "let out of hand") at all
but kept under control of the publishers perpetually.

I should not worry but I'm none the less afraid of a potential future
where there's no property but merely leasing contracts -
well, maybe the word "release" is fitting after all...

Greetings
D.

[Goratrix]

I'd suggest simplicity, the right to sell anything you buy. If I am only buying a license, then I should be able to sell the same license.

THIS.

I'm getting really sick with the attitude of publishers in various industries, who, instead of trying to find proper solutions to their problems, are pushing unneccesary laws and restrictions on the customers. Worried about music you release on CDs getting onto the internet? Well, stupid, then WHY DO YOU SELL the music on a digital medium that can be copied in 2 minutes in the first place??? What about finding, you know, a creative way of selling music to people that can't be copied? But that would be hard work, I suppose. The same goes for software. I don't have a problem paying a few pennies for a mobile app, even if there is a risk of losing it sometime in the future. But there's no way I'll ever agree to using proper, expensive software that is tied to an "app store" and continuous online activations and checking. If they can't find a better way to protect their copyrights, well, f*** them, I'll use something else. And this goes for all digital content.

[Flandersh]

Sure thing, I'll pass it on.

I do want to mention there's another side to it! If you buy a plug-in today it works on your system and all is well. Ponder if THAT company goes out of business - what happens when the next OS version comes? Or will you ever get 64-bit versions? An advantage of REs is that as long as we're around, the REs you've purchased will ALWAYS work - regardless of when you bought them.

In other formats, as you put it, you're only as future proof as the many many many companies. While I'm not saying one is better, there are things worth thinking about as upsides too regarding this.

It is not so big problem with discontinued plugins and companies which goes out of business if the fact is I have the plugin and it has not a challenge/response copy protection or something. What this means is that I can use it for as long as I will, I just need an enviroment it works in. My experiences with old games still working in the newest OS doesn't scare me of an OS incompability. Even if it comes an OS where the plugins won't work, I have all my older OS cd's and it should be no problem to install them on a second computer together with my old Emagic Logic 5 for Windows or something.

It is a complete different situation if I don't have the plugin and the company goes out of business.

[liquidsound]

I really would like for the PH to come out and explain in a "common sense" why the RE are not for resell.
(and if you do so, please respect our intelligence).....

It's one thing to just say no and another going through the exercise of explaining the real motives "behind the veil".
One obvious reason is that resell would allow you to move on exercising your freedom of choices when you think is necessary.
This is a No No for them for two deductible reason (among many):

#1 you are stuck in this environment and so you bend over and they keep milking your cow or you leave and loose every RE you ever purchased.

#2 Because of reason 1 the potential buyer must pay them, and not you, if wants to get in the game, creating another financial dependency as in reason #1 user.

All this is reinforced by a specialized Marketing Montage In a music market always desperate and horny for the next thing.

The Cables!!! Which, funny enough, are now to be used to tight you pockets.

Genius!

[MFXxx]

The problem in my humble opinion with RE and no cross compatible platforms live VST and AU, is if the host goes under/bust you lose all the monies invested in the RE format. Whereas cross platform you risk losing less tbh.

Saying that I am sure it will be a matter of time before VST2/3 gets superceded. Hope not but you never know.

I think the devs/prop should've allowed owners of licenses for AU/VST etc format should allow license for RE, nbot necessarily free although that would be nice, but at a fraction of the cost....ie 10 or 20% which is still a lot if you forked out for a plugin worth 300 for example.

I have to wonder if the no crosssale is really a greed factor or perhaps propellarheads are in need to raise extra revenue to survive. It seems very Berlin Wallish

[braj]

Personally I'd love to see a free Re player, an open format, and have Propellerhead simply sell from their own store but allow others full access to the whole shebang, including competing stores ala Google and Amazon with Android apps. Then we may see RE really take on VST. Then they would have their plugin based on their necessities, we would have a nice store, and an open format.

[liquidsound]

Personally I'd love to see a free Re player, an open format, and have Propellerhead simply sell from their own store but allow others full access to the whole shebang, including competing stores ala Google and Amazon with Android apps. Then we may see RE really take on VST. Then they would have their plugin based on their necessities, we would have a nice store, and an open format.

Follow the money.... You'll get the picture.

[miedex]

I really would like for the PH to come out and explain in a "common sense" why the RE are not for resell.
(and if you do so, please respect our intelligence).....

There is only one answer: the props want your money because they need a new cherub fountain for the break room

[braj]

Oh I got the picture, just I'd like to paint a different image. Anyhow I'm still considering tbe basic Reason Elements package, j would be happy if it came free with a controller or something, I can't help but be a bit interested in the format. Only thing is buisiness suits really.

[liquidsound]

I really would like for the PH to come out and explain in a "common sense" why the RE are not for resell.
(and if you do so, please respect our intelligence).....

There is only one answer: the props want your money because they need a new cherub fountain for the break room

I knew it!!

[liquidsound]

Oh I got the picture, just I'd like to paint a different image. Anyhow I'm still considering tbe basic Reason Elements package, j would be happy if it came free with a controller or something, I can't help but be a bit interested in the format. Only thing is buisiness suits really.

Imagine one day Rewire...... Puff! Gone.

[CT]

The weird thing is, that with the ignition key it should actually be easier for Propellerheads to make transfers possible.
If customers sell or trade an RE, they can be required to update registrations on the ignition key, and the license can be transferred only after the registration is removed, it should actually be quite easy to implement. This way, each 3rd party developer can decide if they want to allow transfers, and Propellerhead will only allow it for those that do.
Or they could only allow it with transfers of the entire Reason package, and they could require the seller to ship his ignition key to the buyer, no excptions. If they don't require this and allow the buyer to purchase a new ignition key, then one possible caveat would be that the seller could continue using Reason without anyone knowing. Actually, this would be hard to prevent, because a seller could easily purchase a spare ignition key a few weeks or months before selling the license.

[liquidsound]

The weird thing is, that with the ignition key it should actually be easier for Propellerheads to make transfers possible.
If customers sell or trade an RE, they can be required to update registrations on the ignition key, and the license can be transferred only after the registration is removed, it should actually be quite easy to implement. This way, each 3rd party developer can decide if they want to allow transfers, and Propellerhead will only allow it for those that do.
Or they could only allow it with transfers of the entire Reason package, and they could require the seller to ship his ignition key to the buyer, no excptions. If they don't require this and allow the buyer to purchase a new ignition key, then one possible caveat would be that the seller could continue using Reason without anyone knowing. Actually, this would be hard to prevent, because a seller could easily purchase a spare ignition key a few weeks or months before selling the license.

Because its about MONEY.
See my previous post.
Transfers?

[darsho]

Voxengo or Gforce show how easy it is to transfer licenses between users.

I am so glad I am not using Reason.
No offence though !
I'm just glad I never got into it.

[IncarnateX]

Thank God for this thread. Because right now I need every argument not to abandon iPad music making for a while, go back to pc music and buy Reason. I have not been around since Reason 3, before Thor, Kong, audiotracks , Rack Extensions and all the other stuff. It has come a along way since then and I would love to get my my hands on it. It's modular rack concept and inspiring graphics is still the best I have seen and with audio, RE's and stuff, it is as close to irresistible as can be.

Fortunately you have just reminded me of some of the iPads benefits, namely the freedom from copy protection and not at least the low prices and apps and in app extensions. I will cling to these reasons for passing it and try to live through the temptation.

Would love to see an iPad version of Reason, though. Hope it will show up in my lifetime.


Cheers