KVR Audio

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:33 pm

Again, your tools, your rules.

It's just standing out a bit with your releases as of late, that you have ton of ideas (picked up from somewhere else, or done yourself), which seem to be locked in place. Since you're basically a one man army, I understand the blocking of FR's or similar stuff along the lines.

But the reality is (for me at least), if some developer creates a similar tool to what I was originally looking for (example PlatinumEars with IQ4 or HOFA with IQ-EQ), but another developer thought further and released something improved with the option to listen to FR's - I rather go for that firm (you know that I have a license of MDynamicEQ, and I'm happy with it).

Now... currently you and BlueCat are (to my knowledge) the only people that offer multi-track frequency analysis on one GUI overlayed. I don't see a need for sonograms (or spectograms) currently, since I'm working more traditional. But should BlueCat ever decide to implement both a Spectogram/Sonogram and a multi-channel oscillator view (like BetaBugs), then I'll jump on that tool.

Sometimes, I don't know if only I get this impression, you come along fairly stict, release something and then say "it's as is - done". Reminds me a bit of Voxengo where I saw several discussions like this one here over and over (I remember a debate with SPAN to ask for certain metering implementations and got a strict "no - nobody uses it", even if it wasn't the case). A prime example could be your EBU type Loudness Analyser - you told me that there is no need for true peak measurement. If you followed the thread regarding EBU Loudness Metering about Nugen Audio, ToneBoosters and vladg sound, then you know why it's just as important to stick to specifications.

Again, it's your game, and you set the rules. I like the concept, I will(!) take a closer look since I sometimes run into trouble finding the right hotspots. But else... I trust my ears just as well. And funds aren't always there.

But competition is definitely good for business.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:49 pm

Compyfox wrote:Now... currently you and BlueCat are (to my knowledge) the only people that offer multi-track frequency analysis on one GUI overlayed.

Voxengo GlissEQ offers this feature as well, in addition to the dynamic EQ, doesn't it?

/Joachim

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:21 pm

Well Compyfox, I really think you are now a little overreacting based on the fact that I didn't approve your oscilloscope. Quite honestly, I don't think you will find many FRs I actually denied. It's on the contrary, I should start denying stuff, before it gets out of control (which already happened probably

). After all, when you look at what all Melda plugins know, you would hardly find anything else on this planet like that... and that kinda suggests I approved most of the stuff people thought about, many of what I actually didn't believe was necessary... But there are limits...

Anyway I think you are kind of making a war against yourself, because these pretty strong complaints (even if true, which I don't think so) won't give you your oscilloscope

. And my original trouble with this is (as you could read above) that I see absolutely no use for such a tool and given the amount of time needed to spend on this, I'd rather focus on something useful obviously. So if you think it is so necessary, you should rather show what it is for.

Finally, I should respond to your complaint about true-peak meter - you are probably not aware of that, but it already is in MLoudnessMeter. And do I think it is necessary? Absolutely not! True peak meters may be part of the standard, but nobody actually knows how to compute it, that's why every true peak meter gets different results. I think it is highly overrated and things like "true peak limiter" makes me really angry, as this is nothing else than a limiter with oversampling, which Melda has of course, with 16x oversampling actually...

bezusheist · Post by **bezusheist** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:49 pm

can you tell me if there is a problem with wearing women's undergarments...?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:03 pm

I think there's no problem with this - what you is most probably just aliasing from the oscillator (see the arrow up in the analyzer? that's normalization, try pressing it

)

bezusheist · Post by **bezusheist** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:20 pm

nice!

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:24 pm

bezusheist wrote:i think it is a weird bug in Reaper, i can't get it to happen again...
it acts crazy with a lot of signals outside of it's range...
either buggy in reaper or just poor analyzer design...
any analyzer should cover the full range...

Sorry, but this is mainly analyzer for music, it hasn't been designed for analysis outside of audible range. What is full range btw? Because that either depends on sampling rate or it is 0 to infinite... And the fact that the basic reaper's tone generator is not antialiased is pretty well know btw.

bezusheist · Post by **bezusheist** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:33 pm

i got full range chickens!

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:36 pm

Well, either way, if you want to analyze outside 20-20, I'm afraid you have to use a different analyzer...

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:37 pm

bezusheist wrote:on the graph they are not sample rate multiples
or are they and your analyzer labels them wrong...
see,,,you can't even tell whats going on,,,

I see many potential explanations. Please try to find out how to simulate it, and then I'll check it out.

bezusheist · Post by **bezusheist** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:41 pm

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:18 pm

Is this thing with isolated frequencies near the Nyquist frequency really relevant to music analysis?

I compared a number of peaks in a piece of music between 20/20K in the Melda vs. SPAN 2 and they were pretty much identical.

SGWork · Post by **SGWork** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:04 am

MeldaProduction wrote:
Compyfox wrote:Hm... will you maybe also offer a multi osciloscope version with that analyser? If so, I'd think about getting it.

And to those that are too lazy to look for the intro-price (like myself):
20 EUR or 24 USD - else 50 EUR
Multioscilloscope??? Whatfor? Quite frankly I never really understood using oscilloscopes at all (except for technical analysis), so having more of them... brrr...

When live recording orchestra's one usually has to monitor in acoustically inferior rooms, very difficult to judge stereo-spread energy and natural reverb. At those productions I sometimes benefit very much from monitoring the stereo-spread energy on an oscilloscope. I have my doubts though using it on each track on a multitrack recording.

My two cents!

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:36 am

Just downloaded. Super useful product at a great introductory price.

mcnelson · Post by **mcnelson** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:18 pm

lingyai wrote:Just downloaded. Super useful product at a great introductory price.

+1. Wanted something like this for a long time, didn't hesitate to purchase.

MMultiAnalyzer, new multitrack analyzer/sonogram from MeldaProduction