KVR Audio

flbrad · Post by **flbrad** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:02 pm

kpsychedelic wrote:
flbrad wrote:The only downside so far of this setup is that my iPad is not recharging while connected to the powered hub. So my sessions will still rely on the iPad's battery life.
But is this a general iPad premise, or BEFORE this you were able to recharge at same time? (Without the USB-to-Lighting on the middle).
Of course I must have misread or maybe I haven't been around for months so I don't know you yet and you could just be a "new" iPad owner without owning a previous iPad.
I say that because well, from all I connect to the iPad it never recharges itself like that (connected to something via the CCK).

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Yes, even with my old iPad, using the Camera Connection Kit would not allow the iPad to charge through the USB connection.

BUT, I believe using something like the Midi Mobilizer 2 allowed it to charge by providing midi in and out, as well as a place to plug it into power. Did the Akai keyboards with ipad connectors charge the IOS device as well?

I was just hoping that this might be possible. Perhaps it will be with a different Lightning to USB adapter in the future.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:08 pm

flbrad wrote:
So eventually the original iPad will find this happening to it. It may still technically work physically, but will not accept IOS version X.0 or whatever comes down the line. All apps will be coded to work with a version of IOS that the original iPad can't accept, thus rendering it rather less useful.

Also complaining that your Commodore 64 doesn't run Modern Warfare? Can't drive 90 mph in your Ford Model T? DVD Player doesn't accept blu-rays? The fridge doesn't bake pizzas?
No device EVER becomes less useful *by itself*, unless it breaks. I guess you have too be an Apple fanboy to understand that "OOH NEW AND SHINY" state of mind.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:11 pm

That said: I really hope my iPad 2 will run the new Waldorf app. But if not... that's life

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:15 pm

T-CM11 wrote: No device EVER becomes less useful *by itself*, unless it breaks. I guess you have too be an Apple fanboy to understand that "OOH NEW AND SHINY" state of mind.

I think you need to separate "functional" from "less useful". Sure, my PIII laptop still is functional, and can still run what I ran on it in 2005. However my 2.8Ghz i7 is more useful, because it can do everything the old one can, and even more than the other laptop. Therefore for me, I never even touch the old one, because what it does do is redundant to the newer one, and then there's everything it can't do.

Same thing for the iPad 3 vs. my original iPad 1. Sure, the iPad 1 did what it did well, it's just that the 3 does all the same stuff faster, and does more.

I don't see how this is a bad thing, and I don't see why people wanting to upgrade instantly get vilified as "fanboys" because they got the newer device.

If the 1 or 2 fits the bill and continues to do so for people, that's frackin' great. Keep at it. No one said you have to upgrade. But don't look down on people that do.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:20 pm

There's a difference between having 2 desktop laptops & 2 iPads: An iPad can only display 1(!!) app at a time. Thus making it more useful to keep older iPads than keeping older laptop/desktops.

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:58 pm

T-CM11 wrote:There's a difference between having 2 desktop laptops & 2 iPads: An iPad can only display 1(!!) app at a time. Thus making it more useful to keep older iPads than keeping older laptop/desktops.

In your opinion. Again, we're arguing subjectivity here. I have absolutely no use for an older iPad now. You guys apparently do. That's wonderful, but let's not vilify those who choose to upgrade.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:49 pm

polaris20 wrote: In your opinion. Again, we're arguing subjectivity here. I have absolutely no use for an older iPad now. You guys apparently do. That's wonderful, but let's not vilify those who choose to upgrade.

I'm not vilifying you. You have your reasons to upgrade, I have my reasons to keep the old one. That's all fine & dandy. I am merely responding to the "omgmyoldtoyisnowcrap" people

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:53 pm

iPad-unrelated:
If my old desktop PCs weren't so big, I would've kept them all*! (Yeah, even that 80086 from 1988 )

*4 ones in total... I kept them uptodate by upgrading parts

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:31 pm

T-CM11 wrote:iPad-unrelated:
If my old desktop PCs weren't so big, I would've kept them all*! (Yeah, even that 80086 from 1988 )

*4 ones in total... I kept them uptodate by upgrading parts

I still own and use the Athlon 2200+ machine I built my wife almost ten years ago. Runs Linux just fine.

iDesignSound · Post by **iDesignSound** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:32 pm

flbrad wrote:I can confirm that connecting the MAudio UNO midi adapter via the lighting to USB cable works fine. All my synth apps like Alchemy, Magellan and Animoog are able to see my attached Roland A500 Pro keyboard through the midi ports to MAudio UNO to lightning connector on the iPad. It seems that core midi through the lightning port is working as I hoped.

Cool, thanks for the confirmation! Have been waiting for someone to post their findings before upgrading to the iPad 4

iPlogger · Post by **iPlogger** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:19 pm

Still trying to find a place that sells either the Lightning to 30-pin adapter or Lightning to USB Camera Adapter so I can try things out. Closest Apple store is 2 hours away.

jc_vt · Post by **jc_vt** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:32 pm

flbrad wrote:
I can confirm that connecting the MAudio UNO midi adapter via the lighting to USB cable works fine. All my synth apps like Alchemy, Magellan and Animoog are able to see my attached Roland A500 Pro keyboard through the midi ports to MAudio UNO to lightning connector on the iPad. It seems that core midi through the lightning port is working as I hoped.

Do I understand this correctly that you do NOT need something like the camera connector kit with the lightening cable? That you can connect to the computer and get MIDI thru from a keyboard via something like the UNO connector? Certainly not what the 30-pin could do, but great if it is true!

JC

flbrad · Post by **flbrad** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:44 am

jc_vt wrote:
flbrad wrote:
I can confirm that connecting the MAudio UNO midi adapter via the lighting to USB cable works fine. All my synth apps like Alchemy, Magellan and Animoog are able to see my attached Roland A500 Pro keyboard through the midi ports to MAudio UNO to lightning connector on the iPad. It seems that core midi through the lightning port is working as I hoped.
Do I understand this correctly that you do NOT need something like the camera connector kit with the lightening cable? That you can connect to the computer and get MIDI thru from a keyboard via something like the UNO connector? Certainly not what the 30-pin could do, but great if it is true!

JC

My original description should have specified I was using the Lightning to USB Camera Connection Kit cable, not the Lightning to USB cable that comes with the iPad and is used to connect to wall charger or laptop.

RE: T-CM11

t-CM11 wrote: Also complaining that your Commodore 64 doesn't run Modern Warfare? Can't drive 90 mph in your Ford Model T? DVD Player doesn't accept blu-rays? The fridge doesn't bake pizzas?
No device EVER becomes less useful *by itself*, unless it breaks. I guess you have too be an Apple fanboy to understand that "OOH NEW AND SHINY" state of mind.

By outlining what I have experienced first hand as as a LIMIT of the IOS devices here on these forums I hope other users make an informed decision. If the information is useful to you, great. If not, no need to be insulting.

Consider I am issuing a WARNING and provide enough details as proof that it can happen. I have included a complete example of how this has already happened with another IOS device I own.

The original iPhone, which is limited to IOS 3.1.X. Almost ALL apps now require IOS 4.0 or higher. Upon a restore I performed, my original iPhone is literally useless except for the basic apps that come with the IOS.

As as far as the iPad potentially becoming completely useless to run new apps, it can absolutely happen. Already the original iPad is limited to IOS 5.1.X and there are apps that require IOS 6.X in the marketplace. The original iPad cannot install them at all! It is not unusual for app developers to upgrade their development kits and not create app updates that are backwards compatible with older hardware that uses an earlier IOS version. It is only a matter of time that you need to restore the device and redownload apps, only to find you can't because the version of the app on the store is not compatible with your device.

One precaution that can be done to avoid an IOS device not being useful at all is to backup the apps on your IOS device into iTunes on your PC regularly. Unfortunately, while I had done this for my iPhone, that PC and its data has been lost. See two hard drives fail in Fall of 2010. Without such a working backup you must rely on the app marketplace hosted by Apple, which as far as I know does not provide past versions of apps, only the latest. If that is wrong, please tell me, as access to older versions of apps would be incredibly useful.

iPlogger · Post by **iPlogger** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:22 am

Bought a Lightning to USB camera kit today and my M-Audio Oxygen 49 worked great with it. Tomorrow I hope to test out the iConnectMIDI.

iPlogger · Post by **iPlogger** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:50 am

Decided to do a quick test tonight and the iConnectMIDI with iPad works fine if you have a Mini-A (at least I think it's A and not B) to Type A USB cable hooked into the Lightning/USB camera kit. This is great! I am still able to use my MIDI equipment without having to get the lightning/30-pin adapter.

Confirmed working with Lightning iPad