Reason Rack Extensions VST Adapter?

[KevWestBeats]

Reason is nothing more than a gimmick and Propellerheads is nothing more than a myopic and profit driven company........

There that sums it up pretty well......have a nice day......

Isn't that everyone? I personally love Reason as an instrument but as a full featured DAW? No thank you. I liked Record and what it offered for stand alone Reason guys at the time but other DAWs have 3rd party options which I really like.

[KevWestBeats]

profit driven company........

Hmmm, a company driven by profit, yes that is a novelty

As opposed to UHE for example which in my experience is just as concerned about giving it's customers what they want and need as they are in generating profit.

Props have always seemed to be more concerned about what they want than what you want....simply witness this thread for a perfect example.

But Reason 7's new features are like 95% user requested features. Props doesn't ignore their users I think people expect them to add the features you want and do it now. Since Reason is its rack they have to find a way to make those features make sense as well. Its not like everyone else where pop up windows isn't a big deal. I mean I don't mind the pop up windows but a lot of people like that Reason doesn't have that.

[eXode]

I'm not getting Reason 6.5 to show up in FL Studio's Rewire channel any longer after I upgraded to FL11.

I dunno if there could be some mismatch between 32 and 64 bit environments. I mean FL Studio is still at heart a 32 bit DAW even though it can load 64 bit plugs right?

You might need to install the 32-bit version of Reason. I know that ReWire is picky and needs both Reason and the host to be 64-bit (or both 32-bit for that matter) for ReWire to work.

[eXode]

FXpansion made an RTAS-VST adapter so that one could use VSTs in Pro Tools.

Has anybody thought about making a Rack Extensions VST adapter so one likewise could load VSTs into Reason?

I'm thinking it would be an app many would appreciate to have :)

Like some have answered already, it can't be done unless props do it.

A more realistic scenario imo, is if props finally decide to make Reason a ReWire master, and decide to make ReWire bi-directional (i.e. both send and receive audio, not only send). If they made those changes, you could use a simple host with ReWire support to load VST's into, and then control it from Reason.

[Davias]

FXpansion made an RTAS-VST adapter so that one could use VSTs in Pro Tools.

Has anybody thought about making a Rack Extensions VST adapter so one likewise could load VSTs into Reason?

I'm thinking it would be an app many would appreciate to have

Like some have answered already, it can't be done unless props do it.

A more realistic scenario imo, is if props finally decide to make Reason a ReWire master, and decide to make ReWire bi-directional (i.e. both send and receive audio, not only send). If they made those changes, you could use a simple host with ReWire support to load VST's into, and then control it from Reason.

Haha I always thought it was funny that the very own DAW of Rewire inventors can't be Rewire master, while 3rd party DAWs can do both. Seems PH really don't want to see people messing with VST and their precious app ^^

[eXode]

FXpansion made an RTAS-VST adapter so that one could use VSTs in Pro Tools.

Has anybody thought about making a Rack Extensions VST adapter so one likewise could load VSTs into Reason?

I'm thinking it would be an app many would appreciate to have :)

Like some have answered already, it can't be done unless props do it.

A more realistic scenario imo, is if props finally decide to make Reason a ReWire master, and decide to make ReWire bi-directional (i.e. both send and receive audio, not only send). If they made those changes, you could use a simple host with ReWire support to load VST's into, and then control it from Reason.

Haha I always thought it was funny that the very own DAW of Rewire inventors can't be Rewire master, while 3rd party DAWs can do both. Seems PH really don't want to see people messing with VST and their precious app ^^

In all fairness it hasn't really made sense before they added MIDI Out (imho). But now that they added RE as well it is a risk that making Reason a ReWire master would potentially be a threat towards their own platform, so yeah, we'll see what happens... :)

[Teksonik]

profit driven company........

Hmmm, a company driven by profit, yes that is a novelty

As opposed to UHE for example which in my experience is just as concerned about giving it's customers what they want and need as they are in generating profit.

Props have always seemed to be more concerned about what they want than what you want....simply witness this thread for a perfect example.

But Reason 7's new features are like 95% user requested features. Props doesn't ignore their users I think people expect them to add the features you want and do it now. Since Reason is its rack they have to find a way to make those features make sense as well. Its not like everyone else where pop up windows isn't a big deal. I mean I don't mind the pop up windows but a lot of people like that Reason doesn't have that.

How many times have I seen users ask for VST support in Reason over the years ? I've lost count.....this thread being just the latest example. To me Reason lacks all the flexibility of software and retains some of the hassles of hardware (wires ? really ? Cable Spaghetti is one of the reasons I've pretty much abandoned hardware)......yes yes I know Control Voltage....wooopeee.......

Having said that since I grew up using rack mount hardware I might still one day own Reason.....purely as a novelty but it's not going to replace my real DAWS........

[user5394]

To me Reason lacks all the flexibility of software and retains some of the hassles of hardware (wires ? really ? Cable Spaghetti is one of the reasons I've pretty much abandoned hardware)......yes yes I know Control Voltage....wooopeee.......

For me the "Cable Spaghetti" is one of the greatest features of Reason. Sure, you can do a lot of the routings in other DAWs too, but the cables are a very intuitive and visual way to do so. I've used FL-Studio, Ableton Live, Reaper, Renoise...I now exclusively use Reason and miss nothing. For me, it is the perfect DAW.


Back to the original topic: I have not read the whole thread, maybe that has already been said, but there is also ReWire and MIDI. I personally do not see much benefit for a VST adapter.

[marioisaac]

FXpansion made an RTAS-VST adapter so that one could use VSTs in Pro Tools.

Has anybody thought about making a Rack Extensions VST adapter so one likewise could load VSTs into Reason?

I'm thinking it would be an app many would appreciate to have

Like some have answered already, it can't be done unless props do it.

A more realistic scenario imo, is if props finally decide to make Reason a ReWire master, and decide to make ReWire bi-directional (i.e. both send and receive audio, not only send). If they made those changes, you could use a simple host with ReWire support to load VST's into, and then control it from Reason.

This would be heaven!

[Tronam]

The Propellerheads are just very… Swedish. Not unlike Clavia they've always been a company that marches to the beat of their own drum, stubbornly adhering to their own design ethos and seemingly oblivious to the rest of the world (and competition). They fight "feature creep" like it's an epic battle to the death and obsess over how new functionality impacts the overall workflow of their software. Say what you will about Reason, but even though it may be lacking some functionality compared to other DAWs, it's a very solid, cohesive piece of music software with a lot of personality and thought put into it. I'm always surprised by the amount of negativity directed toward PH, especially at a time when there's more choice and diversity than ever before in the digital audio industry. There's plenty of room for everyone to coexist peacefully.

The introduction of another plugin format must have been frustrating for developers, but the onus is on Propellerhead to make the Rack Extension format attractive enough to be worthy of their time. If they fail to do so, then the market will determine its fate. The 30% profit sharing model, as we've been seeing in lots of "app stores" these days, must also be annoying, but on the other hand it's also a 100% piracy free platform. It makes me wonder if that tradeoff could potentially lean in the developers' favor. We may never know, but compared to VST's glacial development by Steinberg over the past 17 years, RE is still very young and I'm not convinced of its doom quite yet. Hopefully RE SDK 2.0 will give us a glimpse into where they plan to go with it.

I do wonder about the future, though. I read an interview with CEO Ernst Nathorst-Böös recently where he was confronted with a very interesting question. It essentially asked whether or not the rack metaphor still made sense in this day and age considering the large number of emerging young producers who may have never seen this kind of real world studio gear before. Is it nearly as attractive to people who can't relate to the hardware nostalgia? Interesting thought. With the early and very influential push by Ableton toward flat, abstract minimalism showcasing workflow over "realism" including the more recent wholesale purging of skeumorphism by Apple and MS from their operating systems, Reason stands out as perhaps more quaint than ever before. It's kind of the ultimate throwback to late 90s UI "photorealism" that's been going out of style in a hurry lately. Whether it can stand the test of time in light of modern software evolution is hard to say, but I still think it's an extremely fun and creative environment to work in, especially for sound design. I hope Propellerhead continue being their quirky selves to the bitter end.

[h0rst]

i've seen Rob Paben brought his Predator synth to reasons RE system.
is it a complete duplicate of the vsti or a lite version??

and on the other hand, there's a RE only synth from rob paben.

interesting!

[eXode]

i've seen Rob Paben brought his Predator synth to reasons RE system.
is it a complete duplicate of the vsti or a lite version??

It's like a 85% version of the vsti. Afaik one or two of the FX are missing, and also it doesn't have the complete mod matrix system iirc.

[fpwjay]

Sorry MR CEO of Propellerheads but, we the people have helped ourselves. Again!!!!!!

Problem Resolved
Reason Midi Out + LoopMIDI + SAVIHost = Reason controlling VSTi's without another DAW.



I hate the word CAN"T as it usually means WON'T.

[h0rst]

interesting! ..

so all we need is loopmidi (what version / developer?) and savihost.
how do you save reason projects with vstis?

[SeePlusPlus]

thanks for that "standalone synths in reason" video