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djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:15 pm

Numanoid wrote:
djanthonyw wrote:Not really, because not all hosts work the same to take advantage of such features. I'm thinking it would be really cool if there was an arp that you could just drag the generated midi off, onto a midi track of your host... similar to how a lot of drum sequencers in plugins work.
Maybe z3ta+ 2 got it?:

Keyboard mag wrote: Z3ta+ 2 ships with 250 arpeggiator patterns. They're derived from MIDI files, and you can load your own MIDI files into the arpeggiator. Some of the patterns are quite cool and may inspire new synth-pop tunes. The patterns are always in 4/4 time, and can't be edited within Z3ta+ 2, but the 2.1 update allows patterns to be dragged and dropped from the arpeggiator directly into a MIDI track in your DAW. This feature is a huge plus for editing patterns that are close but not quite what you need.

Wow, you're right, I didn't even realize that. I love z3ta even more now, thanks!

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:16 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:
Urs wrote:
braj wrote:I'd like to hear some details about the arp. One question: will it output midi or only drive Diva? I would love it if it could do both.
As VST2 is the only format that outputs MIDI this isn't anything we have given much thought yet.
(Sorry Urs, but you know how I love to say I told you so.)

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pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:17 pm

djanthonyw wrote:
braj wrote:I'd like to hear some details about the arp. One question: will it output midi or only drive Diva? I would love it if it could do both.
That would be amazing if it output midi. Does any other arp plugin do this though?

Urs, about when is this expected to be released?

Corona outputs midi from its arp...

mabian · Post by **mabian** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:19 pm

Really? Aren't VST3 plugins able to output MIDI?

- Mario

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:19 pm

braj wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:
Urs wrote:
braj wrote:I'd like to hear some details about the arp. One question: will it output midi or only drive Diva? I would love it if it could do both.
As VST2 is the only format that outputs MIDI this isn't anything we have given much thought yet.
(Sorry Urs, but you know how I love to say I told you so.)
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About their adoption of VST 3.x, which is causing them to lose the ability to implement features that were trivial to have in VST 2.x.

Maybe it'll send "note expression".

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:20 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:
Aiynzahev wrote:
Urs wrote:
Numanoid wrote:You mean Osc sync wasn't included from the start
Osc Sync is there, lots of it.

I think what Krim means is oscillator phase reset. Which none of the analogue synths we used for reference has.

No worries though, it's somewhere on our list
Just as a foot note, it's interesting that the new Moog Minitaur has phase reset

Where?

It was part of an update, it's done through software I believe.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:20 pm

mabian wrote:Really? Aren't VST3 plugins able to output MIDI?

- Mario

Noooooooooooo! Steinberg f**ked MIDI (and all of you) real good!

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:21 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:
Aiynzahev wrote:
Urs wrote:
Numanoid wrote:You mean Osc sync wasn't included from the start
Osc Sync is there, lots of it.

I think what Krim means is oscillator phase reset. Which none of the analogue synths we used for reference has.

No worries though, it's somewhere on our list
Just as a foot note, it's interesting that the new Moog Minitaur has phase reset

Where?

It's hidden.You turn it on and off via midi.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:21 pm

BTW if it did the pulse trick it could get around the no output to apply a groove to the arp, as the groove could simply be applied to the pulse midi

Anyhow my wishlist I'm sure is not the highest priority, I'm certain this arp will be an incredible addition to Diva. External arps are great and all, but when the arp is bundled it can get used in patch design. That is really the big draw to me.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:22 pm

Kriminal wrote:They prob didnt have quite a few things that are in Diva. Its essential here, feels like the list is very long.

What do you mean? There's hardly anything the analogues do that Diva can't. Why would there be a long list of things missing? - We surveyed a year of feature requests and an arpeggiator is request No. 1, by a far margin.

You're welcome to post a list of feature requests though, if you feel that essential parts are missing.

(btw oscillator phase reset is coming too, as a byproduct from some more research)

mabian · Post by **mabian** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:24 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:
mabian wrote:Really? Aren't VST3 plugins able to output MIDI?

- Mario
Noooooooooooo! Steinberg f**ked MIDI (and all of you) real good!

Hah, actually they didn't do it to me because I'm staying fully VST2 compliant, and really happy I'm doing it !

- Mario

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:25 pm

Aiynzahev wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:
Aiynzahev wrote:
Urs wrote:
Numanoid wrote:You mean Osc sync wasn't included from the start
Osc Sync is there, lots of it.

I think what Krim means is oscillator phase reset. Which none of the analogue synths we used for reference has.

No worries though, it's somewhere on our list
Just as a foot note, it's interesting that the new Moog Minitaur has phase reset

Where?
It was part of an update, it's done through software I believe.

Ah, so there is. Hidden on the digital editor too!

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may12/a ... nitaur.htm

Sound on Sound wrote: In addition to all of this, there's a second hidden parameter in the oscillator section that deserves special mention. It's called Note Sync, and it forces the phases of both oscillators to reset to zero degrees when a Note On message is received. This is particularly useful when using detuned patches because, without it, the fundamental may be reinforced when you first play a note, attenuated (resulting in a thinner sound), or even cancelled (resulting in a sound that initially seems to lie an octave higher than wanted). Forcing the phase to align at the start of each note eliminates this. I can't remember when I last saw this (if ever), but it's very welcome, and I recommend that you switch it on.

It's my opinion that phase reset isn't of much value without also adding a phase knob, so you can define WHAT phase the oscillator resets at. (Added both to Poly-Ana way back in 1.10, Jan, 2008. Urs is absolutely right, NO classic analog synths had this, though I do see the usefulness, PARTICULARLY if you can define the starting phase as well.)

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:27 pm

djanthonyw wrote:it would be really cool if there was an arp that you could just drag the generated midi off, onto a midi track of your host... similar to how a lot of drum sequencers in plugins work.

This is on a sticky note too.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:27 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:Noooooooooooo! Steinberg f**ked MIDI (and all of you) real good!

Wow, now KVR gets interesting, celebrity editors in CM, Future Music and Beat out with your notebooks: one developer's spilling the dirt of another

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:30 pm

Numanoid wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:Noooooooooooo! Steinberg f**ked MIDI (and all of you) real good!
Wow, now KVR gets interesting, celebrity editors in CM, Future Music and Beat out with your notebooks: one developer's spilling the dirt of another

Not sure what you mean by that. Urs and I get along fine (I'm just teasing him). But I still think he made the wrong choice in "up"grading to a new interface that actually REDUCES the functionality that was previously available. What is VST3 giving him that he couldn't do before in VST 2.4? (Easier cross-platform development is the answer. Though that doesn't help customers any.)

U-He's DIVA is getting a freak'n arp!!!!