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AdmiralQuality wrote:Mechanically translated, sure!
My gf is Thai, making the mechanical translators useless, and me clueless about what she posts on Facebook. For example, I just grabbed an arbitrary—just the first thing I saw—one-sentance reply from her, to a comment in one of her posts, and ran it through a service that compares Microsoft, Babylon, and Google translators. Here are the three results:

Source: ขอบคุณค่ะพี่อ้อย ก็หวังให้เป็นเช่นนั้นเหมือนกันค่ะ แต่ อะไรมันก็ไม่เที่ยง เนอะพี่

1) Thank you brother cane, they hope, Yes, but it is the same as what it was not natural, at noon the elder.

2) Thank you, my brother sugar cane hope to be so too, but what it was not noon tickings my sister.

3) I like pulp. I hope to do so as well, but it was just too unstable.

Oddly, even the built-in FB Bing translation only partially matches the Microsoft: "Thank you brother cane, they hope, Yes, but it is the same as what it was not midnight nature a brother;-)."

Even more oddly, she was replying to a comment from a woman ("brother"?)—all of the comments were from women (context: it's her birthday today, and she posted a picture of roses I gave her. You can imagine how nonsensical more complex translations can be).
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Well, (and this is just a guess) but mechanical translation suffers when the grammar of the original speaker isn't quite correct.

I have a Polish friend, and he often has conversations in Polish on Facebook. But oddly, FB/Bing never offer to translate his comments for me, only the replies he gets from other Polish speakers. I realized that this is because he's not speaking Polish correctly.

And I like pulp too! :lol:

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AdmiralQuality wrote:Well, (and this is just a guess) but mechanical translation suffers when the grammar of the original speaker isn't quite correct.
Actually, I think it's the structure and context of the Thai language. I've never managed to translate anything from Thai that made a lick of sense. As far as her correctness, she has a university degree, and has only been in the US 5-6 years.

OK, so I just googled for translation issues, and the site I looked at (thai-english-translation.com) explained the issues—indeed structure and context (the same word can have different meanings) are part of the problem, along with other issues. The site gave an example:

An example of a machine translation might be something like the following:

We already have under consideration a proposal to open a new line of...

once translated literally to the following in the Thai language

We complete possession beneath consideration offer open new straight drawing about...

LOL
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earlevel wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:Well, (and this is just a guess) but mechanical translation suffers when the grammar of the original speaker isn't quite correct.
Actually, I think it's the structure and context of the Thai language. I've never managed to translate anything from Thai that made a lick of sense. As far as her correctness, she has a university degree, and has only been in the US 5-6 years.

OK, so I just googled for translation issues, and the site I looked at (thai-english-translation.com) explained the issues—indeed structure and context (the same word can have different meanings) are part of the problem, along with other issues. The site gave an example:

An example of a machine translation might be something like the following:

We already have under consideration a proposal to open a new line of...

once translated literally to the following in the Thai language

We complete possession beneath consideration offer open new straight drawing about...

LOL
The programmer in me is dubious of languages that are imprecise. (I know, I know, English is famous for that as well. Though the fact that it CAN be algorithmically translated is a good sign.) That stuff above reminds me of that Star Trek TNG episode where the alien race communicates everything in metaphor. "Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel". (Which is of course ridiculous, as how do the original stories ever get told without apparently having ANY verbs?)

Anyway... we digress. ORGANS!

Let's see some pics of everyone's organ! ;)

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Regarding the Ventilator switching issue:

I received a reply from Guido Kirsch (the designer), who said that he had already ready my article, and thanked me.
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Cool. :)

Did he mention anything about maybe offering an addon kit or something?

It would make it attractive to those using programable floorboards in their setup for everything etc.

Jewel in the crown to have major etstablished artists using it as well.

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Can someone with Ventilator and a CX-3 post some demo audio of the CX-3 in pre-amp mode running through it? I'm particularly interested in hearing how the distortion comes on as the swell pedal is increased, and hearing the transition from slow to fast and back.

Very few of the audio and YouTube demos show the changes. They're like all fast, all slow, all clean, or all distorted. I want to hear the transitions.

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lfm wrote:Did he mention anything about maybe offering an addon kit or something?
The reply was very brief, just saying he had already read the article and thanking me for "the hint".

Changing to allow a single-pole switch would just be a firmware change (likely not upgradeable, probably just new units would have the capability—note the lack of digital input to upload a firmware upgrade, and I doubt there's a plug-able ROM). I doubt they'd add MIDI to the existing pedal, and it would probably take two connectors (MIDI in and MIDI out/software-thru) to do it right. So that leaves the option of a new design or a MIDI control box, which I doubt they'd do.
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Couldn't you just mod the Ventilator to swap in another switch with an extra pole that you run out to a switch pedal input on whatever MIDI controller you're using?

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AdmiralQuality wrote:Couldn't you just mod the Ventilator to swap in another switch with an extra pole that you run out to a switch pedal input on whatever MIDI controller you're using?
I'm not sure if you read my article...There's a number of things you could do—mod the Vent, mod the MIDI relay or foot switch you're using... (The simplest would be for THEM to make the firmware right—it would have no impact on their existing external foot switch). Mainly, it's just silly to require—needlessly—two switches to toggle fast/slow.
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earlevel wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:Couldn't you just mod the Ventilator to swap in another switch with an extra pole that you run out to a switch pedal input on whatever MIDI controller you're using?
I'm not sure if you read my article...There's a number of things you could do—mod the Vent, mod the MIDI relay or foot switch you're using... (The simplest would be for THEM to make the firmware right—it would have no impact on their existing external foot switch). Mainly, it's just silly to require—needlessly—two switches to toggle fast/slow.
I just did.

Can't you get a relay with more than one pole?

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AdmiralQuality wrote:Can someone with Ventilator and a CX-3 post some demo audio of the CX-3 in pre-amp mode running through it? I'm particularly interested in hearing how the distortion comes on as the swell pedal is increased, and hearing the transition from slow to fast and back.
I tried to get to the point of posting a quickie demo over the weekend, too many things to do. And I'm buried for the next few days, so maybe on the weekend before I go out of town—who knows if it will happen. However, I was really more inclined to post something sitting in a track, for some context with to compare against known rock organ recordings. For me, that's more Keith Emerson than Jon Lord, but I really liked Rob Collins' (The Charlatans) sounds too (just a few people off the top of my head). Sorry, you're not going to get Jimmy Smith out of me, and a lot of the Ventilator demos tend more towards that vein (and rightly so, as the Hammond is a jazz staple—just not what I'm after).
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AdmiralQuality wrote:Can't you get a relay with more than one pole?
Well, there aren't that many MIDI relays out there. I saw that someone makes a dual-unit (a small outfit, I doubt you'd find it in a music store, but can buy online). But that was after I shelled out $120 bucks, discounted for the MIDI Solutions relay, only to find it wouldn't do the job. (They do make a rack version with eight relays, but that's overkill unless you already need addition relays for other things.)
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earlevel wrote:Sorry, you're not going to get Jimmy Smith out of me
Nor me. I play rock and soul. On a good day I can somewhat approach Booker T. :)

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earlevel wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:Can't you get a relay with more than one pole?
Well, there aren't that many MIDI relays out there. I saw that someone makes a dual-unit (a small outfit, I doubt you'd find it in a music store, but can buy online). But that was after I shelled out $120 bucks, discounted for the MIDI Solutions relay, only to find it wouldn't do the job. (They do make a rack version with eight relays, but that's overkill unless you already need addition relays for other things.)
Isn't it enough with on/off switches and that in turn can activate the coil or not on a multipole relay?

And about midi thru - isn't that just a wiring thingy to another optocoupler from the input?

Maybe rebuilding Ventilator to be relay driven - change wiring of footswitch to toggle multipole relay.

Then make a connector in chassis parallell to the physical toggle.

That in itself open up for placing the Ventilator close to audio equipment, instead of at your feet - with a simple on/off footswitch.

Then you are set up to use simple midi switch:
http://www.thomann.de/se/midi_solutions_relay_02.htm

Just a regular mono instrument cable from switch to your Ventilator connector.

Neo Instruments could make next batch like that, probably without price change since footswitch can be simpler type and compensate for relay.

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