NI Pro 54?

[vata44]

A standalone version would be great. However, it is also nice to see Reaktor get that kind of love. Especially if they will open up Monark's architecture the future Reaktor 6 owners.

[Ayavaron]

My favorite thing about Pro-53 is that it's a relatively old synth and its CPU demands are therefore appreciably modest. However, the UI is gratingly skeuomorphic. It's got an excellent sound.

I haven't compared it to Prodigious but I will play with Prodigious and see if I can make a meaningful comparison.

[daExpert]

One thing is for sure - They're done making plug-in synths. Everything is Reaktor ensembles now, which is quite annoying. A Pro-54 would be great, bu tnot as a CPU draining Reaktor synth.

Get a faster computer. You can get an I7 for what, 600 bucks?

[Ayavaron]

$600 isn't cheap at all but in several short years, something even faster than an i7 will be genuinely cheap. Making a balls-to-the-wall CPU draining plugin may be problematic now but if it's going to have value in the future, then the CPU usage won't stay a big deal.

I find lots of reviews for plugins from like 2008 that complain about how CPU-hungry the thing is only to find it uses like 4% of my oldish laptop's CPU. Someday, 2013 will be a long time ago and the archived complaints about system requirements will look quaint.

[robotmonkey]

One thing is for sure - They're done making plug-in synths. Everything is Reaktor ensembles now, which is quite annoying. A Pro-54 would be great, bu tnot as a CPU draining Reaktor synth.

Completely agree. NI has become the maker of horrible bloatware. And that IS annoying.

[ATS]

One thing is for sure - They're done making plug-in synths. Everything is Reaktor ensembles now, which is quite annoying. A Pro-54 would be great, bu tnot as a CPU draining Reaktor synth.

Completely agree. NI has become the maker of horrible bloatware. And that IS annoying.

I think they have a lot of great products. The new plugins they released are top notch as well.

[EvilDragon]

Bloatware? Kontakt is probably the most efficient sampler out there! It loads gigabytes of samples really fast and uses very little CPU for the amount of samples loaded, compared to, say, MF3.

[robotmonkey]

One thing is for sure - They're done making plug-in synths. Everything is Reaktor ensembles now, which is quite annoying. A Pro-54 would be great, bu tnot as a CPU draining Reaktor synth.

Completely agree. NI has become the maker of horrible bloatware. And that IS annoying.

I think they have a lot of great products. The new plugins they released are top notch as well.

Well, I agree that they have some solid products. But I must say that I personally have found most of their stuff quite unexciting. Can't even remember when NI made anything that made me think that I would consider buying it. It was probably the first AudioKontrol (bought it and are very happy with it). And because of that all their software has become huge load of bloatware turns me even more off.

That said I still have Pro53, that gets some use. But if NI would make a new bloatware version of it, I would not buy it for sure.

[robotmonkey]

Bloatware? Kontakt is probably the most efficient sampler out there! It loads gigabytes of samples really fast and uses very little CPU for the amount of samples loaded, compared to, say, MF3.

Yeah, right. Imageline Directwave, that is a full featured sampler (maybe not so featured than Kontakt, but still) has a 7 megabyte installer. Kontakt installer is like 550 megabytes?

Most other plugin makers can fit a full suite of high quality plugins (like 30-50) that are in every regard better or equal to NI stuff into an installer size that NI has for three or so plugins.

[EvilDragon]

Does DirectWave have scripting? All those effects (presets included - the impulse responses for convolution reverb that come with Kontakt are taking 520 MB, that's the majority of the installer, for your information)? Extensive database with tagging? Extensive support for tons of various formats?

Good try about "full featured".

[robotmonkey]

Does DirectWave have scripting? All those effects (presets included - the impulse responses for convolution reverb that come with Kontakt are taking 520 MB, that's the majority of the installer, for your information)? Extensive database with tagging? Extensive support for tons of various formats?

Good try about "full featured".

Well, let's put it that way then. Waves full offline installer is about 750 megabytes. In that you get every single effect and the one synth that Waves has ever made. It's literally hundreds of high quality plugins (+ all manuals) that are in my opinion better than the competing NI stuff. An average installer for a single NI effect (be it a EQ, or a Compressor or whatever) is about 45-55 megabytes. An average installer for a NI synth seems to be over 100 megabytes. Guitar Rig 5 is also 450 megabytes. Waves GTR (that does everything that GR5 does) is 150 megabytes installed. Now tell me that NI does not make bloatware.

[EvilDragon]

VST 32-bit, VST 64-bit, AAX 32-bit, AAX 64-bit, RTAS, and the plugin itself (say, Solid Mix EQ) is about 25-30 MB (just the DLL). 4 times that it's 100 MB. Presets and manuals are small fry.


This is still not bloatware, because it runs EFFICIENTLY. Bloatware is when you install so many stuff it ends up running INEFFICIENTLY (Norton, anyone?). NIs stuff is quite efficient in the long run.

[electro]

nothing for K10, maybe K11?

[EvilDragon]

Maybe, who knows?

[izonin]

Nothing wrong with monophonic analogs. Pro One, ARP 2600, MS-20 are all great synths and Reaktor emulations from the same team that brought us Monark would be a welcome addition to the ITB producers' tonal palette.