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thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:31 pm

rob_lee wrote:
Sendy wrote:I'll be honest, I've been debating getting myself a x0xb0x for years.
Just buy one.. nothing beats turning real knobs

Rob. .. have you tried out Venom VB3O3? Would be interested in your opinion.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

Axiomstatic · Post by **Axiomstatic** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:34 pm

Guys was not expecting such a huge response.
Going to take me days to get through all this.

I want to thank each of you for taking the time.
This is huge.

Thanks so much

Axiomstatic · Post by **Axiomstatic** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:50 pm

[quote="bmot"]acid music is great fun to make. i'd suggest you start by finding an addictive hypnotic acid line and play around with it to see what it has to offer. then experiment with pads, synths, different variations on the 303 pattern, build up something from there. hardware is going to be better for that process, can't beat twisting knobs and having multiple sequencers. more chance of happy accidents, but if you have the patience of course you can use VST instruments. I don't think software could get as good results as a real 303 or well made xOx box plus hardware distortion (MXR+, ProCo Rat). you want a 909 not an 808 for the clasic acid sound. Don't buy one obviously, unless you're loaded. I got a Jomox XBase, there are other cheaper alternatives. I'd recomment not spending hundreds on software, for just a bit more outlay buy decent hardware 2nd hand. hardware is designed for one thing only, and well designed hardware will give you more enjoyment making music. xOx isn't so expensive, and lots of good drum machines around.

Some nice youtube suggestions so far, they are more of the carefully sequenced and "clean" variety. I like the straight forward dirtier stuff made for playing live. My flavour of acid goes something like this:

1. make or "borrow" a main sample (vocal snippet, a sound effect, sampled record) and use it at the drops and key points in the song. gives it an "identity".
2. start the track by building up a rhythm pattern which increases in intensity over the first 2 minutes - adding more hats etc
3. don't introduce the main 303 line until 2+ minutes. when it comes make sure it's a good one
4. use pads to complement the 303. or another synth if you prefer. but don't go mad and use too many sounds, let the 303 and the drums take precedence
5. use a quality distortion on the 303, change distortion drive as song goes on
6. at the drop points in the song temporarily switch off the kick drum, or alternatively the snares and hats, then bring back with a new element to kick even harder than before (pretty standard stuff for all electronic music I guess)
7. use snare drum rolls in the transitions for that old school acid feel
8. sometimes one 303 isn't enough. a lot of acid artists use one for the underlying bassline and one for the higher squelchy stuff. Two 303's can interact in a beautiful way. Or for variation use another monosynth as the 2nd line (direction SH-101)

Alright, that sounds rather prescriptive and you can laugh if you like

but it's just what i've observed from listening to loads of acid tracks recently. I don't always follow these pointers myself as it's easy to lose yourself when you find a great 303 line and just twist away.

Look out for anything on the Stay Up Forever label, in particular Dave the Drummer who basically made that template above. Ceephax Acid Crew (brother of Squarepusher) is the best live acid musician around today, some crazy and original stuff. He only uses hardware and it sometimes goes wrong but it's always great. Here are some of my favourite youtube videos:

Thanks mate this is huge.

Most the stuff I listen to seems to be 1 303 line repeating itself all the way through. I think the bass could be coming from another 303 playing a different or straight forward bass line.
Sounds like any of the changes seem to be coming from the percussion or beat.

I have been studying this track a little, maybe listen and you will know what I mean. I cant even hear anything else other then 303

What about delay times, I hear 3/16 is the way to go.

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:13 pm

IMO 4/3 and 5/3 sound very cool.
You can find your faves by trying them 8D
I'll try 3/16, ta for the hint

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:36 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:]Rob. .. have you tried out Venom VB3O3? Would be interested in your opinion.

I don't know what that is Dave. Is it hardware? If so have you a link?

Cheers

Rob

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:57 pm

rob_lee wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:]Rob. .. have you tried out Venom VB3O3? Would be interested in your opinion.
I don't know what that is Dave. Is it hardware? If so have you a link?

Cheers

Rob

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=380007

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:58 pm

Mushy Mushy wrote:]http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=380007

Okay Mushy.. no i haven't tried that.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:25 pm

rob_lee wrote:
Sendy wrote:I'll be honest, I've been debating getting myself a x0xb0x for years.
Just buy one.. nothing beats turning real knobs

The maze of "which builder to buy from" along with horror stories about crappy/non-authentic parts contributing to crappy build/sound puts me off every time I look into it. I suppose I should ask someone on Soundcloud who I know has one. There's no chance in hell I could build one myself, I've never used a soldering iron in my life

toitoi · Post by **toitoi** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:33 pm

Sendy, I would better buy a Bassbot http://www.cyclone-analogic.fr/en/
review: http://www.x0xclones.com/review-cyclone ... ot-tt-303/

antto · Post by **antto** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:03 pm

i'd think twice before going for the BassBot
it's more expensive than a x0x, and there are many unclear aspects about it
also check this:
http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/TT-303/#diffs

..just sayin'

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:18 am

rob_lee wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:]Rob. .. have you tried out Venom VB3O3? Would be interested in your opinion.
I don't know what that is Dave. Is it hardware? If so have you a link?

It's a free software 303 emulation. Theres a link in my last post.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:20 am

Sendy wrote: The maze of "which builder to buy from" along with horror stories about crappy/non-authentic parts contributing to crappy build/sound puts me off every time I look into it.

Then you need teh real 303 to make sure it's nothing uvva than authentic dear sendy

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:20 am

thecontrolcentre wrote:
rob_lee wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:]Rob. .. have you tried out Venom VB3O3? Would be interested in your opinion.
I don't know what that is Dave. Is it hardware? If so have you a link?
It's a free software 303 emulation. Theres a link in my last post.

Cheers Dave seen it now mate..

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:58 am

I hope roland re-releases the TB-303 in the same fashion Korg did with their MS-20 Mini...

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2013/ ... ine-synth/

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:12 am

V0RT3X wrote:I hope roland re-releases the TB-303 in the same fashion Korg did with their MS-20 Mini...

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2013/ ... ine-synth/

[flame-war]

Continuing the flamebait raised by the guy at Roland, why bother?

We have the x0xbox and other assorted clones. There is absolutely no point what so ever in Roland re-releasing the original. Basically: the party is over, Roland are late!

99% of listeners can't tell software from the original. That leaves about 0.0001% who can hear the difference between a x0xbox and a real TB-303.

... and if you think this is flamebait, wait till you hear what people will say about the original vs. the re-release

[/flame-war]

Peace,
Andy.

Making ACID Music???