Need recommendation for a 49-key midi keyboard

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MrDuke wrote:
bvc wrote:They're all crap. Get an older second-hand synth if you want something built with attention to quality and that handles like a real instrument and not a cheap toy.
I realize now this is what I should've done. Like, an old DX7, or something... The thing is, though - you can't get them in 49 keys, they're big and heavy, and lack any DAW control whatsoever. And you have to use a MIDI port with MIDI cables.

What you said isn't entirely true though, I think the Roland/Cakewalk/Edirol keyboards are very solid. Or the new M-Audio Air line. But you will have to pay 400-500 for one, which is insane for a 49-key MIDI keyboard.

By the way - most people seemed to have responded to the OP, I actually revived this thread (see my post above) because I bought the Samson Graphite 49 and wanted to get other opinions on it...
Roland:
I owned the Edirol PCR-800 for some time. It was solid, as you say. But the aftertouch couldn't be used without causing physical pain to engage. Users have been complaining about Roland's stiff, unresponsive aftertouch for almost 30 years, and it's fallen on deaf ears. For me, aftertouch is a main priority, and with the Roland controllers, you don't get it (though you still pay or it).

M-Audio:
I own an Axiom 61 (1st generation). Well, kind of own it. After 3 years of normal use and minimal transportation, it started going haywire. The pitch bend wheel has narrowed down to sending only values 35-100, and the mod wheel just outputs random data. They had to be switched off altogether. A lot of people have gotten the blue screen of death and can't use the controller at all.

Unfortunately, these aren't my only stories of owning MIDI keyboards that die after a few years. And when my 1988 DX11 is still performing like new, that is just unacceptable. Laughably pathetic, in fact.

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Old and used? The Emu MPS and Xboards get my vote.
I still use the Xboard. Sorry, sold my 49 key last year.
I have a 25 key I'm not using anymore though.
(I used to trigger my TC Helicon VW+ harmonies with it).

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bvc wrote:They're all crap. Get an older second-hand synth if you want something built with attention to quality and that handles like a real instrument and not a cheap toy. You'll probably pay less than you would for one of these new pieces of garbage designed to fail after 3 years. It won't do as much as a dedicated controller, but having something that feels like an actual playable instrument that won't break down on you mid-gig is worth it. If you buy new, just remember, companies are trying to save every penny possible during this horrid economy. Go to a local music shop and play around if you want an idea of just how grim it is.

Also beware: the couple that do feel somewhat solid either don't output velocity consistently or don't cover the whole range of velocity reliably. I'm my honest opinion, none of what's available today is worth purchasing in the way of MIDI controllers.

I go to stores once a month on average, always with some hope, but I'm always disappointed.

I came to a similar conclusion with the Novation (Impulse and SL mkii) being the 'best' out of the bunch... but they retail for 300-400 dollars!! for a controller. I'd probably be pretty happy with either keybed though (although the Impulse and SL feel are different)

All of the $200 and under controllers felt terrible.. not just a little cheap.. but super flimsy.. Radio Shack circa 1986 toy keyboard flimsy.. especially the Alesis and Line6 keyboards. Pretty disappointed to see their going prices..

So I traveled a few feet over to the (pricey) workstations to discover something similar on many of them too.. really lousy keybeds.. thin, plastic keys with little feel to them, if any.. They don't make them like they used to apparently :(

But it is hard to find a 'vintage' set of keys one likes since there is no way to try them.. short of finding one in the used second of a store or coming across one in a pawn shop..

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btw amusing story on the DX11 comments section of VSE:

Doug Dixon October 23, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
Hi just a quick storie. I bought a second hand DX11 a few years ago to us as a master keyboard. The synth was in "showroom contition" and at the time cheaper than a dumie keyboard. I used it for gigging but kept it in good order. The other day I was ordering a new kitchen and told my wife I would sell some of my equipment to help pay for it.
I advertised the DX11 on a website beginning with E but when I unpacked it and started to play it to test everything was ok, I fell in love with it again so got my friend to bid on my beharf to buy my own keyboard back. Sad realy.

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I agree, Impulse has a decent feeling keybed, but their sliders feel really cheap to me.

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