KVR Audio

zyguli · Post by **zyguli** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:39 am

Then why is it only Steinberg that's practising this? Like it was said earlier, geotagging came with Cubase 7, it wasn't an issue with earlier versions. How come?

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:59 am

zyguli wrote:Then why is it only Steinberg that's practising this? Like it was said earlier, geotagging came with Cubase 7, it wasn't an issue with earlier versions. How come?

Why do think it is only Steinberg? Why do you think this won't become common practice over the next couple of years as the government tax assholes try to close down all of the loopholes you guys use to cheat the system?

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:46 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
zyguli wrote:Then why is it only Steinberg that's practising this? Like it was said earlier, geotagging came with Cubase 7, it wasn't an issue with earlier versions. How come?
Why do think it is only Steinberg? Why do you think this won't become common practice over the next couple of years as the government tax assholes try to close down all of the loopholes you guys use to cheat the system?

No matter how right or wrong you are i am taking it as insult (not from you) when someone is trying to explain me that overseas item is cheaper due the conversion tax.

Like i said cheapest deal for me is from thomann.de

http://www.thomann.de/gb/steinberg_cubase_7.htm

519 EUR plus shipping

While in the USA i can get Cubase 7 + Halion 4 + Cubase Audio Interface for 419$ which is about 322 EUR

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steinberg-Cubase ... 0388599%26

That is staggering 200 EUR of difference. So i am getting Cubase 7 for 200 EUR cheaper but hey...i am even getting Halion 4 full version..And..audio interface

for 280 EUR i can get deal without audio interface:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steinberg-Cubase ... 43bb51d46e

But with everything ordered overseas i am risking of getting in to weirdness when registering products (like it's reported from various users here and on gearslutz)

- so no matter how hard company is trying to convince me that it's because of value conversion - it's lame excuse - For 200 EUR cheaper i am getting 3 times more in value..isn't that stupid? Is that how you act to customers from your "zone" ?

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:52 pm

kmonkey wrote: - so no matter how hard company is trying to convince me that it's because of value conversion - it's lame excuse - For 200 EUR cheaper i am getting 3 times more in value..isn't that stupid? Is that how you act to customers from your "zone" ?

The value associated with a product in one economy can't be compared to one in another one that has completely different economic infrastructure. You should try this same drill when bundling services with products. OMG, you'd think we were trying to overthrow the government or something.

EDIT: and on that note I'll let you guys get back to bitching about it. I wasn't trolling as much as trying to get you think outside the "Company X is screwing me" box.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:58 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
kmonkey wrote: - so no matter how hard company is trying to convince me that it's because of value conversion - it's lame excuse - For 200 EUR cheaper i am getting 3 times more in value..isn't that stupid? Is that how you act to customers from your "zone" ?
The value associated with a product in one economy can't be compared to one in another one that has completely different economic infrastructure. You should try this same drill when bundling services with products. OMG, you'd think we were trying to overthrow the government or something.

EDIT: and on that note I'll let you guys get back to bitching about it. I wasn't trolling as much as trying to get you think outside the "Company X is screwing me" box.

So in short i am going to ask you simple question - do you think it is normal that i need to pay 520 EUR for C7 in Europe but people in USA can buy it for 320 EUR and with it they are getting two product more (which if i want them will cost me additional 500EUR more in Europe)?

In USA people have to pay 320 EUR for bundle and in Europe i have to pay for same set of products (because this offer/bundle does not exist in europe and steinberg employee confirmed this) 1000EUR.. + shipping

Could you provide me honest answer? How is this looking for you?

edit: do you honestly think i am "bitching" here and doing it for the sake of fun

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:23 pm

kmonkey wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:
kmonkey wrote: - so no matter how hard company is trying to convince me that it's because of value conversion - it's lame excuse - For 200 EUR cheaper i am getting 3 times more in value..isn't that stupid? Is that how you act to customers from your "zone" ?
The value associated with a product in one economy can't be compared to one in another one that has completely different economic infrastructure. You should try this same drill when bundling services with products. OMG, you'd think we were trying to overthrow the government or something.

EDIT: and on that note I'll let you guys get back to bitching about it. I wasn't trolling as much as trying to get you think outside the "Company X is screwing me" box.
So in short i am going to ask you simple question - do you think it is normal that i need to pay 520 EUR for C7 in Europe but people in USA can buy it for 320 EUR and with it they are getting two product more (which if i want them will cost me additional 500EUR more in Europe)?

In USA people have to pay 320 EUR for bundle and in Europe i have to pay for same set of products (because this offer/bundle does not exist in europe and steinberg employee confirmed this) 1000EUR.. + shipping

Could you provide me honest answer? How is this looking for you?

edit: do you honestly think i am "bitching" here and doing it for the sake of fun

Yes, I think it is reasonable for a thousand reasons that would take an economic white paper to answer.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:41 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote: Yes, I think it is reasonable for a thousand reasons that would take an economic white paper to answer.

Ok, sure it would take thousand reasons and a book to explain that this situation is normal. Sure. Thanks.

For saying that it is "reasonable" that one need to pay 700 EUR more for same product just because it is in different zone (not to mention that product itself is created in the same "zone") and that for explaining that it is needed to create economic white paper with thousand of reasons.

Sure it is sounding reasonable..

I guess i am old and becoming quite stupid. I suppose your way of thinking is normal these days and that you are younger. Note that i am not trying to be sarcastic or disrespectful to you i am truly and genuinely sad seeing how i am becoming old fashioned for thinking that i am growing "common sense" in me while in reality it seems that i am quite stupid and that price difference of 700 EUR for same product is normal these days

I am out of here for today

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:47 pm

kmonkey wrote: I guess i am old and becoming quite stupid. I suppose your way of thinking is normal these days and that you are younger.

HAH! I am over 50 ...

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:08 pm

There is nothing illegal about buying downloadable contents via a proxyserver - or when you are on vaction in the USA.
Or to buy it second hand from someone in the USA. Or use a free and simple webproxy server in the USA to register your account....

Alot of people are moving to Studio One - this is just another reason on top.

Something is fishy going on when there are no comparable prices in the EU. How come no 3rd party distributors are making the same offer in the EU?

zyguli · Post by **zyguli** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:10 pm

To be honest I've got nothing against the fact that offers are better in the US. I guess market is bigger there, so is the competition, which results in lower prices/better deals. Cubase 6 + HALion 4 offer is quite old, so I guess retailers are trying to sell this package out.
The problem is Steinberg works against you and is trying to make it impossible to buy this stuff and use it if you're from Europe. Which means they want you to pay more instead of encouraging you to become their paying customer for whatever the price in the US.

zyguli · Post by **zyguli** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:30 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote: I wasn't trolling as much as trying to get you think outside the "Company X is screwing me" box.

I think it is. I bought boxed Traktor Scratch Pro app in the US and registered and activated it in Europe without a hassle.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:57 am

SJ_Digriz wrote:
kmonkey wrote: I guess i am old and becoming quite stupid. I suppose your way of thinking is normal these days and that you are younger.
HAH! I am over 50 ...

you are older then

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:58 am

zyguli wrote:
kmonkey wrote: I wasn't trolling as much as trying to get you think outside the "Company X is screwing me" box.
I think it is. I bought boxed Traktor Scratch Pro app in the US and registered and activated it in Europe without a hassle.

That's not my quote, i never said that

zyguli · Post by **zyguli** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:18 pm

kmonkey wrote:
zyguli wrote:
kmonkey wrote: I wasn't trolling as much as trying to get you think outside the "Company X is screwing me" box.
I think it is. I bought boxed Traktor Scratch Pro app in the US and registered and activated it in Europe without a hassle.
That's not my quote, i never said that

Sorry, must have edited wrongly. Corrected!

maschinelf · Post by **maschinelf** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:25 am

I live in India, and bought a Cubase 6.5 (upgrade from LE) + Steinberg interface bundle from JRR shop, and also got a free grace period upgrade to 7.

I haven't used Cubase 7 yet (I'm on snow leopard) but assume that it would work based on the below quoted post.

Guillermo Navarrete wrote:Hello kmonkey,

This offer does not exist in the EU, it is a USA offer only. If you purchase it, it will fall in the so called "Grey Import" area.
Which means that you can activate it and register it at MySteinberg, but some local dealers or distributors might not want to support you as you have not purchased it with them. Opposed to Cubase 7 which is Geo tagged and can not be activated outside the US.

This product falls inside the Grace period upgrade which means that as soon as you activate the license, the eLicenser Control Center will convert you Cubase 6 license into a Cubase 7 license automatically, then it will provide you a link to download the Cubase 7 installer.

You can also download the Cubase 7 full installer from our website: http://www.steinberg.net/en/support/dow ... ase_7.html

Best regards,
GN

My question is concerning the update to 7.5 or 8, when it becomes available. Will I be able to upgrade, and if so, should I purchase my copy from the US, or can I also buy from the local dealer in India?

The below quoted post from the Bargains thread has me a little confused,

Uncle E wrote: No, you were correct the first time, this should not be purchased by anyone outside of the US. The Cubase 6 or Cubase 6.5 themselves will work but you will not receive free upgrades to Cubase 7 if you are outside the US. We sell download versions of Cubase 6 for cheap and always recommend that International customers *not* buy it.

btw, Cubase 7 *does* work outside of the US, the geo tagging warning is merely there to inform customers they have purchased a US product and not a product from their own country, in case their local dealer is purchasing grey market from the US and not from their own country's distributor. This is a Yamaha policy, not a Steinberg one.

It is mentioned here that they recommend to international customers *not* buy it, however no such recommendation was given to me. This has me a little concerned, and I'd like to know if I will be able to upgrade later. Thanks.

Steinberg Cubase 6 + FREE Upgrade to Cubase 7 and Halion 4 Bundle