LOL Ahhh yes!Nielzie wrote:Its instant NFR status is kinda legendary over here
Even though I don't use Synth1 anymore (because lack of 64 bit) I'll say it is indeed legendary.
Z3ta+ 2 "Legendary Synth"?
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- KVRian
- 632 posts since 3 Sep, 2009 from Vancouver
Even though I don't use Synth1 anymore (because lack of 64 bit) I'll say it is indeed legendary.
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- KVRAF
- 2394 posts since 10 Jul, 2006 from Tampa
Outside of Cakewalk's marketing department, who has called this synth "legendary"?vata44 wrote:Really? Is it honestly "Legendary"?
It is bad-ass without a doubt, IMO, but has it already reached and become deserving of that pillar "Legendary Status"?
Hehe...
I like it well enough--probably more than Z3ta+ 2 (thanks to almost ALL the presets being way too loud and distorting), but I haven't seen anyone seriously consider it "legendary".
Maybe I missed something in the OP's original post, but I don't know who considers this to be a "legendary" synth.
Steve
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- KVRAF
- 4536 posts since 17 Jun, 2013 from very close to Paris, France
To enter the Legend, one must be dead!
Someone who is still alive is not yet in the Legend, and can't be qualified as "Legendary".
The same for the things.
To be qualified of "legendary" a synth must before be a synth which is definitively discontinued.
And it has nothing to do with the term "Vintage" which qualifies things that are more than 20 years old and are no more in the actual popular modes for the common people.
And it also has nothing to do with its nature of software or hardware.
But it's not yet enough. To enter the Legend, one must be physically dead... but must also be kept alive in the memories as a major milestone in the History, something which has deeply marked its epoch and the world will not be nevermore the same after!
When the Minimoog is definitively discontinued by Moog Inc., it is probable that it will enter the Legend, because it will have marked very deeply its epoch as the very first synth to have been democratically affordable (and easily transportable) for a large number of musicians in the seventies, also for another reason: it brought a filter that is still THE reference for everybody still 40 years later in the signature of electronic music.
It is sure that the Minimoog will enter the Legend, but as long as it is kept available by its constructor it can't yet be qualified as a "legendary synth". Sorry, but it's like this. We must not confuse the words and their respective definition, if not... we loose all the subtle nuances of the vocabulary that make the communication so passionating.
It is an example of a mistake one must never do in the usage of the terms and the words. The term "legendary" has a definition, and it is not the same definition as the term "vintage" or as the term "popular". Each term has its mean and its definition.
As real legendary synths, one can cite the Yamaha DX-7, which was the very first synth to use a totally different technics of synthesis than the subtractive synthesis and managed to encourage the developers to deepen their researchs and developments in original directions after thirty years of subtractive quasi-monopole. For the moment, we could eventually qualify the DX-7 as a real legendary synth because it's dead for ages and it has deeply marked its epoch and it remains deeply alive nowadays not only in the memories but also in the many attempts of imitations that it has aroused.
Another synth that could be really qualified as legendary synth is the Roland JP-8000 because it was the very first product providing a revolutionary waveform in its technical specifications, the "supersaw" and deeply marked its epoch and has been the subject or unnumerous attempts to imitations at the point that the supersaw (generally approximations by the way, the real technical reproductions are very, very rare) is a major argument of sale and is definitively dead for many years and remains deeply alive in the memory of many musicians.
In the same kind, one could also cite the first PPG Wave to have used the wavetable synthesis (remember this historic paper dated in 1979) for the same reasons: dead for years and a major date in the history of the synthesis and the point of start for a totally new direction in the research and development of almost all the other constructors at the point that it is also an major argument of sale.
In the legendary keyboards one can also cite the Mellotron 400 which was not the first Mellotron but was the very first to have reached a correct reliability in studios (not on stage) and to have popularized the idea of samples in the stuff of the musicians and to have been a major part of the start point of a totally new genre of music and to have been used for 50 years as a major signature for many musicians of prog rock and to be still and still alive nowadays by all its many imitations and emulations.
In the domain of software one can cite the very first VST instrument. It was Neon, which was included in Cubase 3.7. It is now provided as a freeware for the fun by Steinberg but when it appeared for the first time (in 1998) it was not really free since it entered as a part of the price of the release 3.7 of the product Cubase. It is unknown by most of the beginners but it is very known by all the community of computer music and even if it was not the first software synth (Atari and Commodore made that many years before) it was a major milestone in the History of the modern music because it was the first instrument in a totally new way to create sounds in an almost universal platform !
Both in hardware and software domains, one could also cite the invention of the very first release of the MIDI protocol of communication. I insist: the very first release. Because it is totally dead for ages now, but it has been a major milestone in the History of music and MIDI is universally used by everybody even if we don't think of it, as it is so workaday despite the immense revolution it has brought to our permanent music production...
So beware with the definition of the terms we use. We must not confuse terms like "legendary", "vintage", "popular", etc.
Someone who is still alive is not yet in the Legend, and can't be qualified as "Legendary".
The same for the things.
To be qualified of "legendary" a synth must before be a synth which is definitively discontinued.
And it has nothing to do with the term "Vintage" which qualifies things that are more than 20 years old and are no more in the actual popular modes for the common people.
And it also has nothing to do with its nature of software or hardware.
But it's not yet enough. To enter the Legend, one must be physically dead... but must also be kept alive in the memories as a major milestone in the History, something which has deeply marked its epoch and the world will not be nevermore the same after!
When the Minimoog is definitively discontinued by Moog Inc., it is probable that it will enter the Legend, because it will have marked very deeply its epoch as the very first synth to have been democratically affordable (and easily transportable) for a large number of musicians in the seventies, also for another reason: it brought a filter that is still THE reference for everybody still 40 years later in the signature of electronic music.
It is sure that the Minimoog will enter the Legend, but as long as it is kept available by its constructor it can't yet be qualified as a "legendary synth". Sorry, but it's like this. We must not confuse the words and their respective definition, if not... we loose all the subtle nuances of the vocabulary that make the communication so passionating.
It is an example of a mistake one must never do in the usage of the terms and the words. The term "legendary" has a definition, and it is not the same definition as the term "vintage" or as the term "popular". Each term has its mean and its definition.
As real legendary synths, one can cite the Yamaha DX-7, which was the very first synth to use a totally different technics of synthesis than the subtractive synthesis and managed to encourage the developers to deepen their researchs and developments in original directions after thirty years of subtractive quasi-monopole. For the moment, we could eventually qualify the DX-7 as a real legendary synth because it's dead for ages and it has deeply marked its epoch and it remains deeply alive nowadays not only in the memories but also in the many attempts of imitations that it has aroused.
Another synth that could be really qualified as legendary synth is the Roland JP-8000 because it was the very first product providing a revolutionary waveform in its technical specifications, the "supersaw" and deeply marked its epoch and has been the subject or unnumerous attempts to imitations at the point that the supersaw (generally approximations by the way, the real technical reproductions are very, very rare) is a major argument of sale and is definitively dead for many years and remains deeply alive in the memory of many musicians.
In the same kind, one could also cite the first PPG Wave to have used the wavetable synthesis (remember this historic paper dated in 1979) for the same reasons: dead for years and a major date in the history of the synthesis and the point of start for a totally new direction in the research and development of almost all the other constructors at the point that it is also an major argument of sale.
In the legendary keyboards one can also cite the Mellotron 400 which was not the first Mellotron but was the very first to have reached a correct reliability in studios (not on stage) and to have popularized the idea of samples in the stuff of the musicians and to have been a major part of the start point of a totally new genre of music and to have been used for 50 years as a major signature for many musicians of prog rock and to be still and still alive nowadays by all its many imitations and emulations.
In the domain of software one can cite the very first VST instrument. It was Neon, which was included in Cubase 3.7. It is now provided as a freeware for the fun by Steinberg but when it appeared for the first time (in 1998) it was not really free since it entered as a part of the price of the release 3.7 of the product Cubase. It is unknown by most of the beginners but it is very known by all the community of computer music and even if it was not the first software synth (Atari and Commodore made that many years before) it was a major milestone in the History of the modern music because it was the first instrument in a totally new way to create sounds in an almost universal platform !
Both in hardware and software domains, one could also cite the invention of the very first release of the MIDI protocol of communication. I insist: the very first release. Because it is totally dead for ages now, but it has been a major milestone in the History of music and MIDI is universally used by everybody even if we don't think of it, as it is so workaday despite the immense revolution it has brought to our permanent music production...
So beware with the definition of the terms we use. We must not confuse terms like "legendary", "vintage", "popular", etc.
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- KVRAF
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
A huge counter-advertise ?!BlackWinny wrote:To Enter the Legend, one must be dead, ...and can't be qualified as "Legendary".
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- KVRAF
- 4536 posts since 17 Jun, 2013 from very close to Paris, France
Hello KrakatauKrakatau wrote:A huge counter-advertise ?!BlackWinny wrote:To Enter the Legend, one must be dead, ...and can't be qualified as "Legendary".
Hi hi... I was rereading my post to correct my error typings and you have been quicker than me.
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Achtung, ja?BlackWinny wrote:So beware with the definition of the terms we use. We must not confuse terms like "legendary", "vintage", "popular", etc.
OK, I promise I shall look over my shoulder and beware the impending danger of legendary-ness-ish-ness
Dude, you have FAR TOO MUCH free time on your hands
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- KVRAF
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
You'll be nice to admit though, that our dear Gaston Lagaffe has just spawned a truly legendary post !!Numanoid wrote:Achtung, ja?BlackWinny wrote:So beware with the definition of the terms we use. We must not confuse terms like "legendary", "vintage", "popular", etc.
OK, I promise I shall look over my shoulder and beware the impending danger of legendary-ness-ish-ness
Dude, you have FAR TOO MUCH free time on your hands
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
+1 most def, I doubt the word ever should apply anything so truly as in this caseKrakatau wrote:You'll be nice to admit though, that our dear Gaston Lagaffe has just spawned a true legendary post !!
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- KVRAF
- 4751 posts since 22 Nov, 2012
according to this thread it's legendary because it has the most presets and great arpeggiator. In other words... you don't have to play it. SMDH.
It came along at the right time and was a lot of peoples first serious peace of software. It's legendary at this point mainly because it is used so much.
If you are putting synth master in legendary status you are wrong... it's not on every track on beatport YET... but it will be give it time. Zebra is way more legendary.
It came along at the right time and was a lot of peoples first serious peace of software. It's legendary at this point mainly because it is used so much.
If you are putting synth master in legendary status you are wrong... it's not on every track on beatport YET... but it will be give it time. Zebra is way more legendary.
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- KVRAF
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
well…according to Blackwinny's statement i'd prey any of those legends ... to stay alive !!!!
(…and continue development !)
(…and continue development !)
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
Zeta 2?vata44 wrote:Really? Is it honestly "Legendary"?
It is bad-ass without a doubt, IMO, but has it already reached and become deserving of that pillar "Legendary Status"?
Hehe...
Bolooks.
Zeta 1 is all you need.
Zeta 1 can not be improved on, because it can make any known audio sound known to man.
Have you heard the demos/presets for zeta 1?
The thing is a work of genius.
When you find out someone has bought zeta 2, it is like finding out your best friend who used to be into super-charged racing engines fired by nitrous oxide, has discovered go faster spoilers. You don't like to say anything, but yet, you can never look at them ever the same way again.
The coolest kids on the block use Zeta 1. Everyone who uses Zeta 2, well... fuckwits if we are going to be polite about it.
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- KVRian
- 1004 posts since 2 Aug, 2004 from Sweden
Well, I didn't have a choice really, Cakewalk forced it on me no charge. And I still do have "1" installed as well. Really sorry - will uninstall "2" now.codec_spurt wrote:Everyone who uses Zeta 2, well... fuckwits if we are going to be polite about it.
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- KVRist
- 314 posts since 30 Jun, 2003
Oh snap! I just purchased the Z3TA+ to v2.1 update (half price) and now I hear I will no longer be considered cool... 
That's funny...
I will say I do use Z3TA+ quite often. I bought back when it first came out and have updated it over the years and still find it useful. WRT 2.1 I do like the file handling better. I just imported the old ambient set though and have to go through and re-assign the arps as the arp files required by it are numbered the same as some currently in 2.1.
That's funny...I will say I do use Z3TA+ quite often. I bought back when it first came out and have updated it over the years and still find it useful. WRT 2.1 I do like the file handling better. I just imported the old ambient set though and have to go through and re-assign the arps as the arp files required by it are numbered the same as some currently in 2.1.
Dave
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- Banned
- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
I wouldn't want to go back to Z3ta+ 1.5 (I even deleted it many months ago), I'm pretty happy with Z3ta+ 2.1! 
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
Good man!beltrom wrote:Well, I didn't have a choice really, Cakewalk forced it on me no charge. And I still do have "1" installed as well. Really sorry - will uninstall "2" now.codec_spurt wrote:Everyone who uses Zeta 2, well... fuckwits if we are going to be polite about it.
It's always exemplary when someone takes a hit for the team.
Top hole!
Good to have you on board.