Acon Digital Verberate - New realistic algorithmic reverb

[stian]

It appears highly unstable in Sonar 8.5. I have not tested it in my newer version Sonar X2 using my SCOPE XITE-1 soundcard and Event Studio Precision 8 monitors but feel it should've worked in the set-up i used wich normally does work with compatible plugins.

I don't own a full license for X2 and I've already used the trial for some compatibility fixing earlier, but I installed the X2 trial on a Surface Pro with Windows 8.1 and the latest Verberate version (0.9.9) seems to run fine. Sonar stutters during playback at regular intervals, though, but that was the case also before inserting Verberate... Apparently, Sonar has some issues with Windows 8.1 or the internal sound of the Surface Pro and increasing the buffer sizes did not help.

Stian

[vic_france]

(I like the demo version very much )..
However, one thing I was expecting, when I read that the new beta had separate switches for Dry, Reverb, and Early Reflections, was that it would be possible to have Early Reflections on, while Reverb is off, but seeing as the ER is post the reverb fader, switching off Reverb cuts the ER also.
Will there (eventually) be a way around that situation? (or.. does the ER by itself not sound that great? )

[stian]

(I like the demo version very much )..
However, one thing I was expecting, when I read that the new beta had separate switches for Dry, Reverb, and Early Reflections, was that it would be possible to have Early Reflections on, while Reverb is off, but seeing as the ER is post the reverb fader, switching off Reverb cuts the ER also.
Will there (eventually) be a way around that situation? (or.. does the ER by itself not sound that great? )

Thanks, I'm glad to hear you like the demo! I'm not sure what's going on there, though, I have no problems isolating the early reflections here. I disable the late reverb while leaving both the reverb and ER sliders on lets say 0 dB. Have you tried that?

Stian

[vic_france]

I disable the late reverb while leaving both the reverb and ER sliders on lets say 0 dB. Have you tried that?

Stian

Yes.. as soon as I disable the late reverb, the ER disappears also. (but I'll try it again later tonight).
Btw, my specs are..
Mac Pro Quad-Core 2.66 gHz | 16GB RAM | MOTU PCI-424/2408mk3|MOTU Midi Timepiece AV | Mac OS X 10.8.5 | Cubase 7.0.6||DP 8.0.5| (I haven't tested it in DP yet, though).

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[vic_france]

I disable the late reverb while leaving both the reverb and ER sliders on lets say 0 dB. Have you tried that?

Stian

Apologies.. it is indeed working (and I also tried in DP8, both with the VST and the AU versions )

[stian]

My goodness I forgot all about this, please forgive me. I've been so pre occupied with cleaning my system of ilok and planning my sales, that I just forgot. Now it turns out I will need an ilok for the tc radar meter, and after watching the YouTube on it, especially being partially deaf, I realised it is an absolute must have for me. So back to ilok LOL. Anyway I did the demos but when I heard them the next day I thought I could do better, so I tweaked them a little then forgot about them as said. I will post them today, I won't forget. They are different to Stian's demos so will show you a bit of a different side. Cheers.

If would have forgotten it, too, if stayed up till six in the morning as you wrote... I'll try to get out updates of Restoration Suite and DeVerberate with 10.6 support as soon as possible, by the way. The main work has already been done, since they all share the same library for DSP.

Stian

[stian]

Apologies.. it is indeed working (and I also tried in DP8, both with the VST and the AU versions )

No problem at all and thanks for the feedback. It is also good to hear it works with DP8.

Stian

[Dichroism]

Runs without problems on Live 9.1/64.
The chamber preset costs me round about 15% on a simple bass sound, Xeon E5 in use here. Valhalla Vintage adds 1% on the same sound.

Some random thoughts:

- sound is good
- I really like the GUI
- trial limitation kicks in a bit too often

BR,
Sascha

[sinkmusic]

About the CPU use, it is (way) higher with lowest latencies : Verberate uses aroud 8% at 256samples latency, and only 3% if set at 2048 samples.
Of course, it is impossible to work in real-time with 2048 samples latency, but for things like audio editing or mastering, it's ok.

I realy like the sound. The interface is ok too, and it is very easy and quick to use, the workflow is great

[Spitfire31]

...what flavours would you say that Verberate could provide, or excel at, that are not easily attainable with the ones listed above?
Or, in other words, what sets Verberate apart from the crowd?

One aspect that sets it apart from the competition, in my opinion, is the ability to simulate large spaces without graininess or coloration. The early reflection processor also does a good job of placing a room around the audio source without unpleasant comb-like effects, although hybrid algorithms such as REFLECT also excel at this.

Stian

Another laudable aspect of Verberate that I found after playing around a bit with the beta is 'ease of use'.

I've found that I often tend to use mostly those plug-ins that a) provide a goodly number of useful presets and b) make it easy for me to quickly and logically tweak those presets according to the situation.

I really like the clear and logical GUI of Verberate.

However, I do agree with the post above that it would be easier to evaluate the Verberate sound if the demo silences would appear at more generous intervals.

/Joachim

[sounddesigner]

It appears highly unstable in Sonar 8.5. I have not tested it in my newer version Sonar X2 using my SCOPE XITE-1 soundcard and Event Studio Precision 8 monitors but feel it should've worked in the set-up i used wich normally does work with compatible plugins.

I don't own a full license for X2 and I've already used the trial for some compatibility fixing earlier, but I installed the X2 trial on a Surface Pro with Windows 8.1 and the latest Verberate version (0.9.9) seems to run fine. Sonar stutters during playback at regular intervals, though, but that was the case also before inserting Verberate... Apparently, Sonar has some issues with Windows 8.1 or the internal sound of the Surface Pro and increasing the buffer sizes did not help.

Stian

Yea Sonar can be fussy with some drivers as well; as you've found out, but i still love her. Glad to see the new beta of Verberate is working in your Sonar test. I'll give it another shot soon, especially since i am very interested in hearing your reverb on my own material. Glad to see updates released timely!

[subterfuge]

Oh my, I must say that this one hasn't made it easier to choose my next reverb...or then, maybe it has. The unobtrusive way it imparts the space around the sound feels so natural. And GUI is nice looking, clear and easy to use.

I've already been looking for more colorful reverb which would still have clarity and not push itself too much to the front (unless so wanted), but after testing Verberate I realized I might actually have to consider two separate reverbs. EA Phoenix is a no go for me (iLok and price) so I'm rather glad there seems to be a real alternative for that right here.

Couple of notes from the tests. Trying to set a same type of reverb in ValhallaRoom and Verberate, latter uses over twice the CPU (4% vs. 10%) in my old T2330 laptop running Vista. This might well be, considering the reverbs are different anyway and not forgetting my old setup either. I noticed the level adjustments are now zipper free (v0.99), but I do get noise with other pots when adjusted live. Buffer 512, might have to take this higher.

The demo sound cut-off is not as bad as it was earlier, but there's still maybe a bit too sudden jump between the states. I don't know if it's a demo restriction too, but when I close the FX GUI and reopen it, there's no name on the preset line anymore, it's empty. Apparently the last used preset is still there, but I just cannot see the name...and if I use the drop down list, there is no way to tell from there either what is my current preset. Maybe some kind of check mark there or bold text could help also?

All in all, I'm impressed. Thanks for your work on this.

[solidtrax]

After playing around with it for a few hours, I can safely say this is our new go-to reverb for realistic small spaces, situations that often made us use impulse responses. The stereo plate on a guitar is stunning, and the chamber and room algorithms are brilliant for drums, percussion and vocals.

Very impressive, looking forward to the release.

[stian]

Hi Sascha,

Thanks for testing!

Runs without problems on Live 9.1/64.
The chamber preset costs me round about 15% on a simple bass sound, Xeon E5 in use here. Valhalla Vintage adds 1% on the same sound.

Hmm, that sounds way too much on a Xeon E5, even with small buffer sizes. As a comparison, Verberate uses anywhere in the range 1.2 to 2.0% in Reaper with a buffer size of 2048 samples. I didn't test Valhalla Vintage, but Valhalla Room typically uses around 1.0% under the same conditions.

Some random thoughts:
- sound is good
- I really like the GUI
- trial limitation kicks in a bit too often

I'm glad to hear that, I'll see if we can be a little more liberal with the demo drop-outs.

Stian