KVR Audio

Alphacodex · Post by **Alphacodex** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:08 am

@HaganeSteel But how could I include the TTS-1 into my production enviroment with Cubase? I think it does not support DXi anymore...

HaganeSteel · Post by **HaganeSteel** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:21 am

Alphacodex wrote:@HaganeSteel But how could I include the TTS-1 into my production enviroment with Cubase? I think it does not support DXi anymore...

Ah, really? That's so bogus if it doesn't.

I haven't found much that can compete with my XP-30 other than the Edirol/Roland and Emu/DSF stuff.

Edit: I should shut up.

If Roland's not available, DSF is an option. That's the best advice I can give, honestly.

Liero · Post by **Liero** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:15 pm

bmanic wrote:Personally I don't think anybody has made a VSTi plugin that rivals a Roland JV series synth. The sounds of the roland are simply superior to anything out there.. but in my case the taste is completely subjective. I've always liked that particular sound, especially their brass and violins. They are just so "Rolandish" like nothing else.. very compressed, controlled and a bit cheesy which makes them awesome.

I even thought about multisampling my XP-50 at some point but it's such a chore.

Cheers!
bManic

I think this, like you yourself come close to admitting, can be a big case of sound nostalgia. I feel the same way about Roland thru my XP-30 past but I've come to realize that ... well, nobody but other JV-freaks seem to think this way so it might all be in my head.

bibz1st · Post by **bibz1st** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:50 pm

Zombie Queen wrote:I once sampled some actual natural bread... Now, butter sounds like a challenge.

Just think of the stereo "spread" on that
Beat "slice" too
you could have a "jam"
blah blah you get the idea........

HaganeSteel · Post by **HaganeSteel** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:25 am

Liero wrote:
bmanic wrote:Personally I don't think anybody has made a VSTi plugin that rivals a Roland JV series synth. The sounds of the roland are simply superior to anything out there.. but in my case the taste is completely subjective. I've always liked that particular sound, especially their brass and violins. They are just so "Rolandish" like nothing else.. very compressed, controlled and a bit cheesy which makes them awesome.

I even thought about multisampling my XP-50 at some point but it's such a chore.

Cheers!
bManic
I think this, like you yourself come close to admitting, can be a big case of sound nostalgia. I feel the same way about Roland thru my XP-30 past but I've come to realize that ... well, nobody but other JV-freaks seem to think this way so it might all be in my head.

It isn't in your head.

We know something most other people don't.

Roland has decades of experience that's just hard to beat.

Most of the people I know who prefer Roland do so because the usability and workflow of a Roland synth is pretty unmatched. Roland generally has everything you need.

But on top of that, like you guys say, Roland has some sounds that are gorgeous. Simply gorgeous. The vibrato flute, oboe and english horn, the strings, the choirs - the list goes on.

I can say with 100% certainty that my XP-30 is 100x more usable than Dimension Pro, for example, because the waveforms are edited so well. Roland has no real tuning issues, the attacks of their sounds aren't delayed, and there's always a smooth transition between multi-samples.

Edit: Really shouldn't say that because I'm probably wrong.

But still, I would take a Roland over anything else any day just because it's so usable and doesn't require asinine amounts of EQ. Everything sits well together, it's fast, etc.

Roland is still relevant and highly usable. It's just too expensive for people to care.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:58 am

Roland has always been a mixed bag for me. What I like, I like a lot, what I hate, just doesn't do anything for me. Once I started hearing their philosophy of compress and truncate in their samples, I could never unhear it. Only their elastic sysnthesis seems to compensate for it to me. I love my Roland V-synth GT. I've never liked the XPs or cared much for the JVs, and I really tried to. I really thought Dimension could bring something I would really like, but after too many purchases of soundsets expecting them to fit the bill, I've pretty much started to consider it as a first offical abandonware. The last Anderton Gibson set put the nail in that coffin. Mostly decent, but as usual, certain sampled keys are so out of tune it makes me not want to open it. It just doesn't make the cut anymore. Roland seems to be resting on their historical laurels now. Their booth @ NAMM was the worst I've ever seen it. Even Spectrasonic looks like they're taking the business bow-out but letting Ilio be the rep.
Maybe next year...

HaganeSteel · Post by **HaganeSteel** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:27 pm

BBFG# wrote:Roland has always been a mixed bag for me. What I like, I like a lot, what I hate, just doesn't do anything for me. Once I started hearing their philosophy of compress and truncate in their samples, I could never unhear it. Only their elastic sysnthesis seems to compensate for it to me. I love my Roland V-synth GT. I've never liked the XPs or cared much for the JVs, and I really tried to. I really thought Dimension could bring something I would really like, but after too many purchases of soundsets expecting them to fit the bill, I've pretty much started to consider it as a first offical abandonware. The last Anderton Gibson set put the nail in that coffin. Mostly decent, but as usual, certain sampled keys are so out of tune it makes me not want to open it. It just doesn't make the cut anymore. Roland seems to be resting on their historical laurels now. Their booth @ NAMM was the worst I've ever seen it. Even Spectrasonic looks like they're taking the business bow-out but letting Ilio be the rep.
Maybe next year...

It's all about the Sound Canvases, baby.

You think that might be silly, but it's not.

Edirol Orchestral = a lot of Sound Canvas sounds, and a lot of those sounds are on the $200+ dollar SRX Strings/Complete Orchestra boards.

It's a shame Edirol Orchestral got discontinued because it's pretty much a collection of Roland's best orchestral sounds and they kind of trounce Miroslav for me. Miroslav sounds more realistic, with much better brass staccatos, but Roland sounds so much cleaner.

A lot of Roland sounds = highpassed Miroslav sounds.

What Roland needs to do is make software. True software. These days, they can sell it on Steam, and there we go - the necessary DRM, trusted by millions.

realmarco · Post by **realmarco** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:35 am

*can't be bothered to read the thread*

has anyone Mentioned wusik

http://www.wusik.com/ww/ ?

Alphacodex · Post by **Alphacodex** » Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:36 am

Thank you for all the suggestions so far, I listened to a lot of demos of your suggestion. Edirol could have been what I was looking for, a shame that they did not keep on developing it. So I'm still a bit stuck here.

Should I eventually decide to open the door for iLok, would that change anything?

Cheers,
Codex

realmarco · Post by **realmarco** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:45 am

JV synths are basically smeared with chorus, delay and reverb.

the sound of a preset sound awesome

in a mix..well u have to turn off all that and you end up with very generic rompler sounds

Alphacodex · Post by **Alphacodex** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:46 am

Hmm... what about Goliath?

Monkberry · Post by **Monkberry** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:42 am

realmarco wrote:JV synths are basically smeared with chorus, delay and reverb.

the sound of a preset sound awesome

in a mix..well u have to turn off all that and you end up with very generic rompler sounds

The Roland XP and JV series were pretty good for their day but I would never want to go back to it. "Smeared" is a good description of the sound although I made a decent amount of cash from using the XP80 and JV1080.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Sun May 11, 2014 5:08 pm

Alphacodex wrote:What I'm missing is trumpets, sax, brass, world instruments, bells, bagpipes, accordion, harmonica, fiddle, sitar, banjo so basically the general midi sounds list but in a decent quality.

No hesitation ! For these instruments... EMM Knagalis!

Wait... I'm gonna make you a screenshot of its instrument list! Awesome for the choice and awesome for the quality!

Ah!... And I add that it can be set also to use many ethnic scales!

I'm back in a moment with a screenshot of its instruments...

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Sun May 11, 2014 5:39 pm

So, here they are:

The Factory presets (included with the product):

The Ethnicity Presets:

And the ethnic scales (included in the product in addition to the classic equal temperament):

00-12-Equal Temperament
05-African Banyoro xylophone
05-Another Japanese pentatonic
05-Bac Dan Tranh scale, Vietnam
05-Bamboo gamelan jemblung
05-Chinese pentatonic from Zhou
05-Dan Ca Dan Tranh Scale
05-Golden pentatonic
05-Ho Mai Nhi Nam Hue
05-John Chalmers Pelog
05-Just pelog-style Phrygian
05-Observed Japanese pentatonic
05-Observed south Pacific penta
05-Observed tuning Chinese
05-Pygmie scale
05-Soeroepan adjeng
05-Subharm. 6-tone series
05-Sultans gamelan Madoe kentir
06-A folk scale from Rajasthan
06-Gamelan Renteng Lebakwang
06-Gamelan Semar pegulingan
06-Lou Harrisons Joyous 6
06-Palina panpipe of Solomon Isla
06-Tibetan Buddhist Gyaling tones
06-Zirafkend Bouzourk IG 3
07-African Mboko Zither
07-African scale according to Kev
07-Al Farabis Chromatic c700
07-Al-Farabis Diatonic
07-al-Urmawi, one of twelve maqam
07-An observed xylophone tuning
07-Ancient Greek Aeolic
07-Ancient greek Ionic
07-Arabic SEGAH Dudon Two
07-Balinese saih 7 scale, Kroboka
07-Bamboo gambang from Batu lulan
07-Burmese scale, von Hornbostel
07-Chinese heptatonic scale
07-Egyptian scale by Mihail Musa
07-Ervs bagpipe, mar 97
07-Graham Breeds blues scale
07-Indian D Ellis, correct
07-Indian mode Gunkali
07-Indian mode Ma-grama Sa Ri Ga
07-Indian mode Sa-grama Sa Ri Ga
07-Iranian Diatonic from Dariush
07-Iranian mode Mokhalif from C
07-Iranian mode Segah from C
07-Kora tuning Hardino
07-Kora tuning Sauta
07-Lebanese scale Dastgah Shur
07-Lyra tuning, Dorian mode
07-Malaka lyra
07-Malcolms Mid-East
07-Mandinka balafon scale
07-Metabolika lyra tuning, mix
07-Observed balafon tuning 2
07-Observed balafon tuning
07-Observed Indian mode
07-Observed Javanese Pelog scale
07-Observed tuning Chinese
07-One observed indian mode
07-Portugese bagpipe tuning
07-Ptolemys kithara tuning, mix
07-Ptolemys Malaka lyra tuning
07-Rationalized Arabic SEGAH
07-Savass Diatonic, Byzantine
07-Scale found on ancient Chinese
07-Scottish Bagpipe EllisLand
07-Scottish bagpipe tuning 2
07-Shona mbira scale
07-The old Sultans-gamelan Kyahi
07-Tuning of popular flute
07-Turkish, 5-limit from Palmer
07-Vong Co Dan Tranh scale
07-Zalzals Scale, medieval
08-Graham Breeds blues scale
08-Iraq 8-tone scale, Ellis
08-Persian santur tuning. 11E
08-Surd Scale, Surds of the form
09-Highland Bagpipe, Allan Chatto
09-Highland Bagpipe, Ewan Macpher
09-Raga Darbari Kanada
10-Portugese bagpipe tuning 2
10-Pythagorean scale
11-Arabic mode by Ishaq al-Mausil
12-12 out of 22-tET, Pythagorean
12-12-tone Pythagorean scale
12-Ancient Bagpipe
12-Bagpipe tuning from Fortuna
12-Bulgarian bagpipe tuning
12-Carnatic gamut. Kuppuswami
12-Chinese Lu 749-Temperament
12-Chinese Lu Lushi chunqiu
12-Equal Temperament
12-Ethiopian Tunings from Fortuna
12-Kurzweil Empirical Arabic
12-Kurzweil Just with natural b7
12-North Indian Gamut, modern
12-Rotated North Indian Gamut

All these instruments in very good samples and modelling synthesis for the articulations, all these instruments for only... $39 / €29 !

Alphacodex · Post by **Alphacodex** » Sun May 11, 2014 7:54 pm

Wow, thank you!! I will definately have a look at this VSTi!
Anyway I wished the future of natural VSTi is developing more in the direction of sample based modeling instead of trying to sample all and every nuance and articulation in several GB patches for a single instrument...

Actual natural bread and butter VSTi