KVR Audio

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 pm

sbj wrote:Can't you just use the 64 bit installer and install both versions.
Then delete the 64 bit version if you dont use it

Didn't you see the screen grab I posted, in the 64 bit installer it says installing the 32 bit VST plug will add 0KB to my harddrive, so there is nothing to install as I understand.

If you read my posting above, you will see that I installed the 64 bit VST version, and are running with that bridged in FL Studio.

sbj · Post by **sbj** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:45 pm

Numanoid wrote:
sbj wrote:Can't you just use the 64 bit installer and install both versions.
Then delete the 64 bit version if you dont use it
Didn't you see the screen grab I posted, in the 64 bit installer it says installing the 32 bit VST plug will add 0KB to my harddrive, so there is nothing to install as I understand.

If you read my posting above, you will see that I installed the 64 bit VST version, and are running with that bridged in FL Studio.

I used the 64 bit installer and it installed both versions and they showed up
fine. Maybe the installer is showing wrong ?

Why not give it a try and see what happens.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:51 pm

sbj wrote:Maybe the installer is showing wrong?

Or a bit more advice could be posted on Eisenberg page about the installation procedure

As I said the 64 bit VST version works OK bridged in FL Studio.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:17 pm

Kind of weird that MS-404 get put in the 303 bag by the way, as suggested by VSE: http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/ms404.php

404 comes with 2xLFO (which 303 hasn't got) and that LFO is capable of FM, so it is rather different...

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:54 pm

Numanoid wrote:Kind of weird that MS-404 get put in the 303 bag by the way, as suggested by VSE: http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/ms404.php

404 comes with 2xLFO (which 303 hasn't got) and that LFO is capable of FM, so it is rather different...

Its a 303 type emu, loads of them came out way back. None of them are the same as a 303. Some are very basic, some are are way over the top.... whats so hard to understand?

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:59 pm

No mention of the 303, or being inspired by a certain classic synth, on the Döpfer product page, but I guess they maybe wanted to avoid any copyright infringement?:
http://www.doepfer.de/ms404_e.htm

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:28 pm

Numanoid wrote:No mention of the 303, or being inspired by a certain classic synth, on the Döpfer product page, but I guess they maybe wanted to avoid any copyright infringement?:
http://www.doepfer.de/ms404_e.htm

Do you think they chose a YY-X0X name by accident? Like the BassStation, it could kinda do SH-101 duty as well. But it had a MIDI controllable Glide, which implied 303 duty even if the filter is 'wrong'. But they were happier times when absolute blind allegiance to the 303 sound wasn't the order of the day.

MannB · Post by **MannB** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:54 am

Hi there,

I don't get why some of us grumble about the presets or lacking internet demo-sounds. They've put a very decent trial online with only little limitations and small file size.

In the end we're all synth musicians, aren't we? So we should be able to find some likeable sounds on our own, especially with a tidy and self-explanatory interface like this.

I really like the Vier and it was an instand buy, especially with the available introductory offer. The sound is awesome and the modeling goes deep. You can hear that in some extreme settings especially the filter resonance behavior.

BUT for me they clearly put the focus on something else: the polyrhythmic patterns you get from the voice modes in combination with the linking and coronas. Try out the revolver with arpeggios. Lovely.

So lets give those guys a chance, we all benefit from a lively and diverse scene.

Cheers
Mann

MannB · Post by **MannB** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:56 am

sbj wrote:...it seems like it's gonna be one of my
favourite synths.
The macros and the way the different parameters
can be linked is awesome.

I also like the different play modes.

I made a drum patch and put it on random. Really cool
that it changes between the four units.

Cheers

+1

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:11 am

MannB wrote:In the end we're all synth musicians, aren't we? So we should be able to find some likeable sounds on our own

Finding money to buy on the other hand....

MannB wrote:I don't get why some of us grumble about the presets or lacking internet demo-sounds.

In a over-crowded plugin market I think sales presentations are important.

Demo-sounds are needed as such so that potential buyers can listen, and such demos and the presets need to be able to blow the competition out of the water.

EisenbergAudio · Post by **EisenbergAudio** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:04 pm

Hi all

glad to hear that some of you really like Vier and sorry to hear that some had problems with installing etc. We just stumbled across this forum thread today so that’s the reason why we haven’t responded earlier. I hope that I can answer some of the questions below.

32/64bit Installers
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The native 64Bit versions of Vier perform significantly better on 64Bit machines than the 32bit versions. We made the strict split between the two installers so that nobody accidentally installs the 32Bit installer on a 64Bit machine which would do more „harm“ than the other way round when the nag-box appears. Nevertheless we have made this fact more clear on our website so that hopefully nobody gets confused anymore in the future.

On a 32bit machine, please only install the 32bit installer.
On a 64bit machine, please only install the 64bit installer, it also installs the 32bit plugins for 32bit hosts.

Presets/Demo Sounds
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More demos and presets are in the making, and we will upload them asap. Sorry that we keep you waiting but we didn’t want to delay the release just because of missing presets or demos.

Connection to Doepfer
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We are not endorsed by Doepfer. We are „only“ big fans of their products and when I was a teenager, I always dreamt of owning four 404s to play chords with them. That’s were the idea comes from and as I still use my 404s in my music and there has never been an acceptable emulation, we now did it ourselves. We talked to Dieter Döpfer on Musikmesse, showing him an early version of Vier. He was very friendly and encouraged us to keep moving forward. He also granted his friendly permission to use a very similar design and not having to hide the roots of Vier.

Modelling
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The whole 404 has been fully and deeply circuit modeled. We’ll be uploading some pictures and a „making of“ story on our website soon for all the tech-nerds out there

We can also upload some one to one comparison tests if this of interest.

303, 404, Vier, what?
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I don’t know if the MS-404 was supposed to be a true model of the TB-303 back than but I can’t imagine it, because the circuit design is so different. The 303 has a diode ladder whereas the 404 has a transistor ladder (classic Moog ladder). Both are four pole filters with a 24dB rolloff but the diode ladder is much flatter around the cutoff frequency and is therefore often (falsely) called 18dB filter. Furthermore the original 303 design didn’t allow a resonance as high as the transistor ladder.

I personally think that the 404 just got its X0X name because it fit perfectly into the sound aesthetic from the early nineties, although yes, some settings come close to a 303. Nevertheless the true power of the 404 are its LFOs and the modulation possibilities that the 303 is missing.

The true power of Vier is - besides the plain emulations - the connection between the four units making it one monolithic instrument rather than the sum of four quarters. The voice modes together with the linking feature melt the units together to become one.

I hope this post could answer some questions and I hope that many of you will have a lot of fun using Vier. If you have any questions or suggestions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

Cheers
Gunnar

EisenbergAudio · Post by **EisenbergAudio** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:19 pm

Numanoid wrote: The 64 bit installer includes a 32 bit VST installer, but when I selected that it says that it contains 0 kb, so I choose the 64 bit VST when I installed

Dear Numanoid,

we tried to reproduce your problem but it wouldn’t occur. But from the picture you've posted it seems that you use a beta installer. Did you download from the beta links? Maybe you try to download the latest installer again.

Further, maybe some of these hints might help.

If you install Vier for the first time (on Win7 64bit) and only select VST and Presets the screen should look something like this. The plugin path can be chosen individually (in your case VSTPlugins/Eisenberg)

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If you already have installed Vier and run the installer a screen shows up asking you if you want to Change, Repair or Remove.

If you click Change you will (again) come to this screen, now the text says that it takes 0 Bytes, as you already have installed it.

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Maybe that's how you got to your screenshot? If you would now uncheck it, you will get this screen.

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The above screens all indicate that you’ve already have installed the desired plugin „somewhere“. If you have moved it or otherwise feel like it mitght got lost, the easiest thing would be to uninstall Vier and then run the installer again from scratch choosing the right paths this time.

Also the „always in revolver mode“ problem could not be reproduced. Maybe the mode just switched while you switched presets? If not, maybe you’d like to contact us with more information on the exact settings where it occurs or even send us a screen video? That would help us a lot with finding a possible bug.

Best
Gunnar

BeeGree · Post by **BeeGree** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:26 pm

Awesome instrument!

Much, much better than Einklang!

But there are two things I don't understand:

1. Why do you put so crappy presets in there? The instument is the killer, the presets are not, sorry to say that.
2. How come that you sell an instrument that is better sounding and more diverse than Monark for a lower price?

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:53 pm

EisenbergAudio wrote:The above screens all indicate that you’ve already have installed the desired plugin „somewhere“. If you have moved it or otherwise feel like it mitght got lost, the easiest thing would be to uninstall Vier and then run the installer again from scratch choosing the right paths this time.

Also the „always in revolver mode“ problem could not be reproduced. Maybe the mode just switched while you switched presets? If not, maybe you’d like to contact us with more information on the exact settings where it occurs or even send us a screen video? That would help us a lot with finding a possible bug.

Best
Gunnar

Hallo Gunnar

The 64 VST bit version works in FL Studio, so I've continued with that.

It is good that you have added more info about the installers at this page now:
http://eisenberg-audio.de/downloads/vier

The revolver and unison thing I experienced, I believe have something to do that I was working with a preset that was revolver, and trying to change that to unison, probably breached the demo limit.

MillerSam · Post by **MillerSam** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:38 pm

Part I of the Sound Review of VIER is online
Thanks in advance for watching

Doepfer MS-404 now available as plugin!