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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:23 pm

Robmobius wrote:Es 2 is still decent sounding, but I've heard way better over the last 5 years imo. And the modulation interface section... Ugh!

Yep, the GUI looks pretty scary tbh.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:30 pm

chk071 wrote:
Robmobius wrote:Es 2 is still decent sounding, but I've heard way better over the last 5 years imo. And the modulation interface section... Ugh!
Yep, the GUI looks pretty scary tbh.

That is true. And when you increase the size (which was meant for monitors of 10 or 12 years ago) it gets rather blurry. However I do always appreciate the single pane interface. I just hate tabs on a synth.

In many respects, Electra2 can do very similar sounds to the ES2 actually. But I still can't find another synth with as snappy of envelopes as the ES2 though. Some synths get close, like Zebra and even more so Corona, but there are sounds from the ES2 I haven't quite heard in other things.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:14 am

I demo'd Electra2 again yesterday, after probably 1 1/2 years of not touching it (i used to own it, and then sold it). Sounds nice, probably still my favorite of the Tone2 synthesizers, in terms of sound. I really like the Hypersaw and JP-8k Supersaw waveforms, and the filters are quite nice too, even though they lack a bit of the final raw-ness, when you crank up the resonance. Rather tame then.

Anyway, i noticed something i already noticed when i still owned Electra2, and it doesn't seem to have been fixed with version 2.5. When you turn down the cutoff frequency of the low pass filters, there's still a low frequency sine wave output, like the filters never really close. I wonder what that is. Has anyone noticed that? Pretty easy to reproduce, just do a Init -> Reset all -> Turn up the volume sustain to 100 -> Choose any of the low pass filters -> turn down the cutoff frequency to 0 -> set the filter envelope amount to a negative value. It always puts out a low sine like sound, no matter how much you turn down the cutoff, or even set the filter's envelope amount to a negative value, further decreasing the cutoff frequency that way. Really weird, haven't noticed that on any other synth.

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:17 am

I'm not really best friend with the workflow of this synth and I find it a bit complicated to tweak.
I love the sound of it though.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:19 am

ATN69 wrote:I'm not really best friend with the workflow of this synth and I find it a bit complicated to tweak.
I love the sound of it though.

Exactly the same here, lol.

Sold it mainly due to the workflow, but the sound is nice. But, hey, maybe, one day, there'll be Electra3, and they make up for it.

But, please with stereo oscillators then, without the low frequency hum when closing the filter completely, and with more than one fx at a time, and without too much layer based workflow.

Satch1 · Post by **Satch1** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:08 pm

chk071 wrote:I demo'd Electra2 again yesterday, after probably 1 1/2 years of not touching it (i used to own it, and then sold it). Sounds nice, probably still my favorite of the Tone2 synthesizers, in terms of sound. I really like the Hypersaw and JP-8k Supersaw waveforms, and the filters are quite nice too, even though they lack a bit of the final raw-ness, when you crank up the resonance. Rather tame then.

Anyway, i noticed something i already noticed when i still owned Electra2, and it doesn't seem to have been fixed with version 2.5. When you turn down the cutoff frequency of the low pass filters, there's still a low frequency sine wave output, like the filters never really close. I wonder what that is. Has anyone noticed that? Pretty easy to reproduce, just do a Init -> Reset all -> Turn up the volume sustain to 100 -> Choose any of the low pass filters -> turn down the cutoff frequency to 0 -> set the filter envelope amount to a negative value. It always puts out a low sine like sound, no matter how much you turn down the cutoff, or even set the filter's envelope amount to a negative value, further decreasing the cutoff frequency that way. Really weird, haven't noticed that on any other synth.

Not used for a while but if I remember rightly the filter envelope sustain defaults to 50 percent . Try turning that all the way down.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:48 pm

Even with filter envelope sustain completely turned down, there's still some low sine sound coming through. And, actually, it wouldn't have made a difference anyway, how i set sustain, when the low sine is even coming through, when i set negative filter envelope amount... i have no idea how that passed their quality control, and how such a bug can remain for years, and noone ever complained about it. I'll contact their support. Hope they talk to me, even though i don't own any of their synths.

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:05 pm

chk071 wrote:Even with filter envelope sustain completely turned down, there's still some low sine sound coming through. And, actually, it wouldn't have made a difference anyway, how i set sustain, when the low sine is even coming through, when i set negative filter envelope amount... i have no idea how that passed their quality control, and how such a bug can remain for years, and noone ever complained about it. I'll contact their support. Hope they talk to me, even though i don't own any of their synths.

You are correct. I just checked and even if I set LP 24, Filter envelop, cutoff and everything else to 0 or negative, there is still low frequencies coming thru. I connected both filters in series but even then there is sound coming thru. I don't know if it is a big deal in most cases of normal usage but it sure is strange.

Satch1 · Post by **Satch1** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:12 pm

ATN69 wrote:
chk071 wrote:Even with filter envelope sustain completely turned down, there's still some low sine sound coming through. And, actually, it wouldn't have made a difference anyway, how i set sustain, when the low sine is even coming through, when i set negative filter envelope amount... i have no idea how that passed their quality control, and how such a bug can remain for years, and noone ever complained about it. I'll contact their support. Hope they talk to me, even though i don't own any of their synths.
You are correct. I just checked and even if I set LP 24, Filter envelop, cutoff and everything else to 0 or negative, there is still low frequencies coming thru. I connected both filters in series but even then there is sound coming thru. I don't know if it is a big deal in most cases of normal usage but it sure is strange.

The only other thing I can think of is if oscillator 2 as a sine wave is being mixed to filter 2. It'll bypass filter 1 even when filters are in series. I need to have a look when I get chance.

replicant X · Post by **replicant X** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:15 pm

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Introspective · Post by **Introspective** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:15 pm

What I like and dislike about it is that, with Icarus, I feel it's superfluous. Icarus is an amazing wavetable synth and sounds much better (IMO) than ElectraX. ...also strikes me as more accessible.

I don't even really understand why they are still supporting ElectraX (I noticed they just updated it a month ago). Weird.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:36 pm

what do you like and dislike about tone 2 electra2

Like:
- The range of superb sounds. This thing is deep!
- The layering - really great for complex atmospheric or sequenced patches
- A huge list of filters including some unique ones
- Great effects

Dislike:
- the grey GUI ( I really liked the original 'ElectraX colour set)
- The 3D look (flat view please, always)
- single insert effect, but this causes to make executive decisions so it can actually be of benefit

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:31 pm

One of the biggest things I hate about this synth,is the layering of sounds, it could be visually better. I was speaking to another producer today who never realized it could even layer four synth presets. This is a huge oversight, and could easily make this synth King, if it visually had a gui that was more inviting to the end users. Sounds great though.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:53 pm

chk071 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:14 am I demo'd Electra2 again yesterday, after probably 1 1/2 years of not touching it (i used to own it, and then sold it). Sounds nice, probably still my favorite of the Tone2 synthesizers, in terms of sound. I really like the Hypersaw and JP-8k Supersaw waveforms, and the filters are quite nice too, even though they lack a bit of the final raw-ness, when you crank up the resonance. Rather tame then.

Anyway, i noticed something i already noticed when i still owned Electra2, and it doesn't seem to have been fixed with version 2.5. When you turn down the cutoff frequency of the low pass filters, there's still a low frequency sine wave output, like the filters never really close. I wonder what that is. Has anyone noticed that? Pretty easy to reproduce, just do a Init -> Reset all -> Turn up the volume sustain to 100 -> Choose any of the low pass filters -> turn down the cutoff frequency to 0 -> set the filter envelope amount to a negative value. It always puts out a low sine like sound, no matter how much you turn down the cutoff, or even set the filter's envelope amount to a negative value, further decreasing the cutoff frequency that way. Really weird, haven't noticed that on any other synth.

Sounds like typical Tone2

. Soon you will hear something like: "it's not an issues, as long as you are the only one who reported this. This is what they call a high-end synths.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:33 pm

chk071 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:48 pm Even with filter envelope sustain completely turned down, there's still some low sine sound coming through. And, actually, it wouldn't have made a difference anyway, how i set sustain, when the low sine is even coming through, when i set negative filter envelope amount... i have no idea how that passed their quality control, and how such a bug can remain for years, and noone ever complained about it. I'll contact their support. Hope they talk to me, even though i don't own any of their synths.

If i look at the controls value, it says 50Hz at the lowest point....so there is that