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Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:51 pm

Sylenth1 and Superwave Trance Pro. Everything else is just grasping at straws.

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cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:54 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:Sylenth1 and Superwave Trance Pro. Everything else is just grasping at straws.

.-.

Says the man from La La Land

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:04 am

EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:Not that i know much about it, but yes, his papers about the Roland supersaw got indeed published: http://www.nada.kth.se/utbildning/grukt ... _10131.pdf I guess that it has been used as a base for other stuff. At least that would be much easier than doing the research yourself.

Started to read the paper myself today, great read and very informative, even for people who don't like supersaws.
Oh thank you I will read soon.

It is a very interesting research in spite of me not being a fan of supersaw or trance, but I don't dislike it. I hear it sometimes and this research made me curious to test what I have from synths. I doubt I have something can produce it. Retrologue has stacked oscillators but I thought it is like an old Jupiter 8 from the 80's? I have no idea really. Oh I have Sunrizer, I will check that and see.

I always skipped Roland products since I visit their dealer in Athens (where I lived long years ago) and the dealer was so snobby and rude. I was just asking about Jupiter 8, but he was really an asshole together with his assistant. Since that time, I had the image of "Snobby" whenever I hear Roland! Anyway, now I'm trying to be open minded about 'it' and learn what I have missed.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:53 am

adamtrance wrote:
Ingonator wrote:A while ago Alex Shore published teh free "JP-4c" Reaktor synth:
http://alex-shore.com/jp-4c/#.VYWpb_ntlBc

This includes a Supersaw module that seems to sound almost exactly ike the real thing.

A while ago i did use this (wit hteh permission of Alex) to create some of my own Reaktor ensembles:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=387662
While Alex did a good job, its important to mention and give credit where credit is due, that his supersaws are based off my research of the supersaws, which my JP6K used (http://www.adamszabo.com/jp6k/). It was the first every VST to properly emulate the famous Roland supersaw, and after my paper went online, it started the ball rolling, and was used in Corona, Diva, Sunrizer etc... (or at least Id like to think that, so my research made a world a better place you cant have enough supersaws )

Hi Adam,

that's indeed true. I guess that most (or all?) emulations currently using a dedivcted Roland wupersaw emulation are somehow based on your research.

FWIW i got your JP6K since quite a long time and it sounds graet indeed. Anyway i am recently using only few 32-bit plugins which is why i mostly used other synths for that kind of sound.

So far U-He Diva seems to contaon the most complete implementation of teh JP-8000 oscillators including the Feedback mode and others.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:44 am

EnGee wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:Not that i know much about it, but yes, his papers about the Roland supersaw got indeed published: http://www.nada.kth.se/utbildning/grukt ... _10131.pdf I guess that it has been used as a base for other stuff. At least that would be much easier than doing the research yourself.

Started to read the paper myself today, great read and very informative, even for people who don't like supersaws.
Oh thank you I will read soon.
It is a very interesting research in spite of me not being a fan of supersaw or trance, but I don't dislike it. I hear it sometimes and this research made me curious to test what I have from synths. I doubt I have something can produce it. Retrologue has stacked oscillators but I thought it is like an old Jupiter 8 from the 80's? I have no idea really. Oh I have Sunrizer, I will check that and see.

I always skipped Roland products since I visit their dealer in Athens (where I lived long years ago) and the dealer was so snobby and rude. I was just asking about Jupiter 8, but he was really an asshole together with his assistant. Since that time, I had the image of "Snobby" whenever I hear Roland! Anyway, now I'm trying to be open minded about 'it' and learn what I have missed.

Your experience was unfortunate, I don't think Roland is more snobby than other brands.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:47 am

Orbit-50 wrote:Sylenth1 and Superwave Trance Pro. Everything else is just grasping at straws.

.-.

I also like the Trance Pro, but eventually I abandoned it because there is some bug with the implementation of the filter envelope. And modulation options are minimalist, to put it mildly

A 24db filter would not hurt, either.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:48 am

adamtrance wrote:
Ingonator wrote:A while ago Alex Shore published teh free "JP-4c" Reaktor synth:
http://alex-shore.com/jp-4c/#.VYWpb_ntlBc

This includes a Supersaw module that seems to sound almost exactly ike the real thing.

A while ago i did use this (wit hteh permission of Alex) to create some of my own Reaktor ensembles:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=387662
While Alex did a good job, its important to mention and give credit where credit is due, that his supersaws are based off my research of the supersaws, which my JP6K used (http://www.adamszabo.com/jp6k/). It was the first every VST to properly emulate the famous Roland supersaw, and after my paper went online, it started the ball rolling, and was used in Corona, Diva, Sunrizer etc... (or at least Id like to think that, so my research made a world a better place you cant have enough supersaws )

I like your modesty

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:45 am

tuzemec · Post by **tuzemec** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:51 am

Surprised no one mentioned DIVA. Or Hive.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:53 am

Both have been mentioned, Diva repeatedly...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:54 am

EnGee wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:Not that i know much about it, but yes, his papers about the Roland supersaw got indeed published: http://www.nada.kth.se/utbildning/grukt ... _10131.pdf I guess that it has been used as a base for other stuff. At least that would be much easier than doing the research yourself.

Started to read the paper myself today, great read and very informative, even for people who don't like supersaws.
Oh thank you I will read soon.
It is a very interesting research in spite of me not being a fan of supersaw or trance, but I don't dislike it. I hear it sometimes and this research made me curious to test what I have from synths. I doubt I have something can produce it. Retrologue has stacked oscillators but I thought it is like an old Jupiter 8 from the 80's? I have no idea really. Oh I have Sunrizer, I will check that and see.

Tbh i don't know why the supersaw always seems to be identified with trance or EDM. You can hear it in every second pop, chillout or ambient track too. Maybe the people just don't realize it when there's a filter on it, or it's being used as a pad sound.

I would even go as far as to say that it's one of the most used sound in any kind of electronic music. It's literally everywhere as far as i'm concerned.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:26 am

I thought the supersaw sound is a little dated now, at it was used so much in trance 10-15 years ago ?

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:51 am

Numanoid wrote:I thought the supersaw sound is a little dated now, at it was used so much in trance 10-15 years ago ?

Now is bigger than ever I guess, but than when I look at it, it never went out from fashion, just found a way to mainstream again

My vote goes for MUX

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:19 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote: Your experience was unfortunate, I don't think Roland is more snobby than other brands.

I really don't care now for the hardware. Gone are the days when standing in front of the shops, looking at the synths and workstations with sorrow inside because I couldn't afford it.
I do care now only for historical reasons.

chk071 wrote: Tbh i don't know why the supersaw always seems to be identified with trance or EDM. You can hear it in every second pop, chillout or ambient track too. Maybe the people just don't realize it when there's a filter on it, or it's being used as a pad sound. I would even go as far as to say that it's one of the most used sound in any kind of electronic music. It's literally everywhere as far as i'm concerned.

It is known in the 90's right? so maybe, this is why. So, what the old Jupiter used? I mean JX8 and JX16? only normal SAW? I remember very thick pads in many of the 80's songs.

Anyway, I played little with Retrologue and Sunrizer. They are absolutely great synths producing great pads using stacked or multi oscillators

But I couldn't find a way to detune every oscillator from the stack (like in Adam Szabo's research). I find it a very interesting method to have nice variations. I'm thinking of what happenes when you can modulate every detune of the stacked oscillators with a tiny movement?! Hmmm, I think I will try something like this in Reason with 10 or more Subtractors and see what I can get!

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:56 pm

chk071 wrote:
EnGee wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:Not that i know much about it, but yes, his papers about the Roland supersaw got indeed published: http://www.nada.kth.se/utbildning/grukt ... _10131.pdf I guess that it has been used as a base for other stuff. At least that would be much easier than doing the research yourself.

Started to read the paper myself today, great read and very informative, even for people who don't like supersaws.
Oh thank you I will read soon.
It is a very interesting research in spite of me not being a fan of supersaw or trance, but I don't dislike it. I hear it sometimes and this research made me curious to test what I have from synths. I doubt I have something can produce it. Retrologue has stacked oscillators but I thought it is like an old Jupiter 8 from the 80's? I have no idea really. Oh I have Sunrizer, I will check that and see.
Tbh i don't know why the supersaw always seems to be identified with trance or EDM. You can hear it in every second pop, chillout or ambient track too. Maybe the people just don't realize it when there's a filter on it, or it's being used as a pad sound. I would even go as far as to say that it's one of the most used sound in any kind of electronic music. It's literally everywhere as far as i'm concerned.

Indeed there is much more about Supersaw/Hypersaw than just Trance and/or Techno sounds. Great for soem really big pad souds and other stuff...

favorite supersaw synth?