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metalifuxx · Post by **metalifuxx** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:14 pm

If you've ever been to an Infected Mushroom concert lately, you will see metal heads headbanging in conjuction with molly-ed out rave kids dancing around rolling and tripping their asses off.

Josmoker · Post by **Josmoker** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:25 pm

Hm, can't say I agree that the bands you mentioned have a lot to do with metal or psytrance. Dance, Trance, Electronica, Rock, Funk, I heard it all in there. Psytrance and metal? No.

Edit: headbanging at an Infected Mushroom gig? Things don't look good for the Western civilization, no no.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:38 pm

metalifuxx wrote:If you've ever been to an Infected Mushroom concert lately, you will see metal heads headbanging in conjuction with molly-ed out rave kids dancing around rolling and tripping their asses off.

Yeah, it's like that on IM for decade now I guess, even before they going all brostep, USA and stuff

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:39 pm

infected mushroom hasnt made psytrance in years.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:56 pm

It's the energy of the crowd and music, both are really up there, both genres gather worst of worst, take a look at crowd of both, pretty obvious, hardcore alcohol and drug's abusers getting mad crazy, than look some pretty house people posing and smiling or some deep casual intellectual jazz types, right, like different dimension suddenly, who took madness and darkness out

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:01 pm

metalifuxx wrote:If you've ever been to an Infected Mushroom concert lately, you will see metal heads headbanging in conjuction with molly-ed out rave kids dancing around rolling and tripping their asses off.

A couple of questions:

Why would "metal headbangers" go to IM shows

How do you distungish between MHB and regular punters at IM shows?

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:01 am

metalifuxx wrote:If you've ever been to an Infected Mushroom concert lately, you will see metal heads headbanging in conjuction with molly-ed out rave kids dancing around rolling and tripping their asses off.

i had the misfortune of finding myself at an im event a few years back.

it was populated by no one other than juiced up jersey shore rejects...and me.

ditto for the last astral projection show i wound up at.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:25 am

Psypants.

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:47 am

Drugs.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:19 pm

Zexila wrote:Even this short one bounces a lot

No, it doesn't, the bass is in F all the way through

To satisfy me the bassline needs to vary a bit by for example going to the key of A B, C or D (which will harmoize well with F) to make it interesting.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:02 pm

complaining about basslines (and drums) in psytrance is missing the point. its there to provide a solid structure for the other elements to weave around. a complex bassline would detract from the rest of whats going on and create a mess.

to say they "dont have bass" is simply incorrect. they have plenty...it just doesnt move around a lot, and if it did, it would sound like crap.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:10 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:infected mushroom hasnt made psytrance in years.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:21 pm

Mushy Mushy wrote:I have long wondered why I'm drawn to these two types of music. Essentially it's all I listen to and all I ever will.

However, metal heads believe electronic music has no soul.

While, psytrance lovers are hippies who think metal is too brutal and we should all be making love to pot plants.

Is it the musicianship perhaps? Or is it the rebelliousness and non-conformity? Is it the song length? Actually perhaps it's the structure which is quite similar.

Anyway I'm off to headbang a tree.

I think it kinds of taps into the same 'energy' - because I've always felt the same correlation. I have no better explanation than that! I also totally get the relationship between dark ambient and metal/doom. I'm not sure why that correlation exists either but I totally get it.

larm · Post by **larm** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:37 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:complaining about basslines (and drums) in psytrance is missing the point. its there to provide a solid structure for the other elements to weave around. a complex bassline would detract from the rest of whats going on and create a mess.

to say they "dont have bass" is simply incorrect. they have plenty...it just doesnt move around a lot, and if it did, it would sound like crap.

Hmm, I got bored with psytrance just because of that slogging constant monotonous bass, the atonal fx focus + the sweeping pads/fx counterparts. But the problem is if you introduce key changes and make it more melodically complex the shift becomes just soo dominant and then the melody line must follow ... and a few changes later the entire song turns into some euphoric EDM with inane chord changes+cheesy hooks and fists and panties all over the place, yeaesh

I don't know what I think about psytrance anymore.. At first when I heard it I thought it was fresh, but I must say I find the entire genre to be very conservative. I think I can stand about ~4 hours / year now, and what reaches my ears still sounds the same as it did 5 years ago. And I mean almost every track could be copied into any other track. It's mostly one note melodies with build up, fx, remove kick, build up, fx#2, remove kick ... goto start

BUT my guess for the genre's longevity is that it really captures the trance aspect, like a fever dream where you must constantly repeat the same task to keep sane, live inside that energy bubble. Guess that metal can have that focus as well.

Also take Front 242 Welcome To Paradise ... from 1988, apart from the dated drum sounds, the composition is almost like any "modern" psytrance track (+ features distorted guitars):

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:47 pm

larm wrote:Hmm, I got bored with psytrance just because of that slogging constant monotonous bass, the atonal fx focus + the sweeping pads/fx counterparts. But the problem is if you introduce key changes and make it more melodically complex the shift becomes just soo dominant and then the melody line must follow

...which bass-cially leaves psy-trancer with one option, play it loud Loud LOUD, loud enough so that anybody succumbs however shit it sounds.

What's the correlation: Psytrance & Metal