Poll: What kind of copy protection do you prefer?
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- KVRAF
- 16748 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
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- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
I love the copy protection that comes with iPad apps, namely non at all.
Best copy protection is to exterminate the warez-users, though. Take em all out.
Best copy protection is to exterminate the warez-users, though. Take em all out.
- KVRAF
- 2960 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling
Some words from a developer on the matter:lachrimae wrote:I don't understand why you have to state half-truths in order to get your point across.billcarroll wrote:When developers do their own copy protection and they get ripped off by the pirates, they don't get paid.
It reminds me of statistical spin where only the data that makes a point is shared...
I'll complete your sentence for you:
When developers do their own copy protection and they get ripped off by the pirates, they don't get paid by those pirates, but there are a number of people that reward those devs by purchasing their product specifically because of their licensing policy.
You purchase products that are heavily fortified, thus rewarding devs that choose that licensing scheme.
I purchase products that have minimal protection in order to reward and support those kinds of devs.
Here are a few facts:
Both types of devs get paid.
More of your type of devs will get paid if you can convince people of your philosophy.
More of my type of devs will get paid if I can convince people of my philosophy.
There are no statistics that show which licensing scheme has more effect on income.
http://therecordingrevolution.com/2013/ ... d-plugins/To make just one Slate Digital plugin, it takes over a year of dedicated work from dozens of individuals to get them perfect. It can be an excruciating process, but in the end the reward is worth the struggle.
To have our plugins cracked would be absolutely devastating, and would make it impossible to be able to maintain the necessary resources required to do business. But even more importantly, it would take away the motivation of the entire team.
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- KVRAF
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- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
If plugs for desktop computers would cost as little as iPad apps, there would be little need for copy protection on those platforms either.IncarnateX wrote:I love the copy protection that comes with iPad apps, namely non at all
- KVRAF
- 2960 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling
Your work in this thread so far: begging the question, and personal attacks.lachrimae wrote:billcarroll wrote: – Steven Slate
Let me turn on my assumptive-generalization engine:
The king has spoken, /thread
I would prefer the convenience of a serial number for plugin authorization, if it actually protected the plugin and the developer. For those developers who choose iLok, I understand, and I support their choice. Some developers don't have a year to waste programming a copy protection scheme that will likely be cracked, and they would rather focus on developing amazing audio plugins.
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- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from The Infinite Void
I quite like the personalised watermarking thing that CamelAudio and MadronaLabs use(d).
- KVRAF
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- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
That is a bit like having the dev authorise the plug by keyfile/serial number, before they deliver it to the user?mutantdog wrote:I quite like the personalised watermarking thing that CamelAudio and MadronaLabs use(d).
I mean with Alchemy I can install it on as many computers I like, and it didn't call home.
- KVRAF
- 11162 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Yes, but iLOK doesn't come for free. They have to pay a license to Pace, and add that cost to the plug-in price. This means that the price is raised because of the copy protection. Let's say a plug-in that would be charged was 99, but because of the copy protection license, the price is raised to 129,00. Those extra 30,00 could represent the difference between a success and a failure. If the sales are low, the devs may very well start to blame piracy, when, in fact, it can be the difference in price.billcarroll wrote:Your work in this thread so far: begging the question, and personal attacks.lachrimae wrote:billcarroll wrote: – Steven Slate
Let me turn on my assumptive-generalization engine:
The king has spoken, /thread
I would prefer the convenience of a serial number for plugin authorization, if it actually protected the plugin and the developer. For those developers who choose iLok, I understand, and I support their choice. Some developers don't have a year to waste programming a copy protection scheme that will likely be cracked, and they would rather focus on developing amazing audio plugins.
This is just and hypothetical scenario, that I raise for you guys to think about.
Fernando (FMR)
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Yeah, not a big fan of that either. I don't have nearly as many plugins as other people here, but already have, i think, 4 different "software centers", including fxpansion's, NI's, Steinberg's eLicenser, and another thing i can't even remember now installed, and that's a tad too much considering i comparatively have so few plugins. Not a huge fan of dongles either, it's always a bit annoying to have the thing sticking out of your computer. Always scared to break it off when i accidentally make contact. Serials are cool, though not the best protection i guess. Don't mind challenge/response or online activation either. In the end, i'd probably eat what's being served.arkmabat wrote:I just hate huge DRM management programs that keep running and are a pain to install.
@ fmr: 30 € per sold plugins seems a bit excessive for just the copy protection. I'm sure it's less. Unless PACE are the complete bloodsuckers.
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- KVRAF
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- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
+1 Completely agree with you on thatfmr wrote: Those extra 30 could represent the difference between a success and a failure. If the sales are low, the devs may very well start to blame piracy, when, in fact, it can be the difference in price.
- KVRAF
- 2960 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling
I get what you are saying. However, the locks and security systems on your house and car add cost to those items too. Stores spend money on loss prevention. That adds to the cost of items purchased in stores.fmr wrote:Yes, but iLOK doesn't come for free. They have to pay a license to Pace, and add that cost to the plug-in price. This means that the price is raised because of the copy protection. Let's say a plug-in that would be charged was 99, but because of the copy protection license, the price is raised to 129,00. Those extra 30,00 could represent the difference between a success and a failure. If the sales are low, the devs may very well start to blame piracy, when, in fact, it can be the difference in price.billcarroll wrote:Your work in this thread so far: begging the question, and personal attacks.lachrimae wrote:billcarroll wrote: – Steven Slate
Let me turn on my assumptive-generalization engine:
The king has spoken, /thread
I would prefer the convenience of a serial number for plugin authorization, if it actually protected the plugin and the developer. For those developers who choose iLok, I understand, and I support their choice. Some developers don't have a year to waste programming a copy protection scheme that will likely be cracked, and they would rather focus on developing amazing audio plugins.
This is just and hypothetical scenario, that I raise for you guys to think about.
Retailers like Guitar Center or Best Buy lose a shocking amount of money per location due to crime. That adds to the cost of items purchased in stores, meaning you pay more.
In addition, a developer who spends months writing a copy protection system will most certainly raise the price of their plugins to recoup that extra work. It's a hidden, yet very real cost.
Crime costs everyone. Sucks, but it's a fact of life.
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