Stop It

[Teksonik]

So much noise I find myself drowning in it..

So you decided to drown us in your noise..........

The thought that someone could imitate all the aspects of all the great hardware into a single instrument with todays personal computers is ridiculous.

[Teksonik]

Oh, geez, is it already that time of the month again on KVR?

Time of the day..............

[Teksonik]

[...]

The better the quality of software the higher the cpu crush. [...]

Oh really?
How do you explain synths like Audjoo Helix then? That thing sounds incredibly analog and uses very little CPU.

Because they (sylenth etc.) are not modeling analog.

So they sound incredibly analog because they are not modeling analog. I agree soft synths sound so much better when they don't try to emulate crappy analog dinosaurs..........

[Googly Smythe]

Horses/cars, tubes/transistors, vinyl/CD, hardware/software - the old guard prefer the former, the young guns prefer the latter. In the end the new usually supercedes the old, whether we like it or not.
These discussions are always going to come up because there are always newcomers to the scene, whatever that scene may be, and they will join in the discussion while old-timers (like me) make their exit.
In the end it's the market that decides which is "best", not the individual.
And anyway, I for one often glean new knowledge from these kinds of discussion. Long may they continue!

A couple of issues:

...Diva is the closest equivalent sound quality wise that I've heard to hardware. Bazille is the closest feature wise to analog that I've heard...

To date so far...

...These developers could built you an equivalent to hardware. They could build you something that could surpass hardware. But you would never be able to play a note on it. The hardware does not exist in quantity to run it. Maybe weather forecasting computers or physics supercomputers could run it. .. but this is beyond reason at the moment...

Your development platform would have to be able to run on these super computers, along with the DAW of your choice. Not sure that that is possible.

...it doesn't matter anyway...

There you go. (I know - out of context.)

[Dasheesh]

what is "best" is subjective and up to you. What is not is that analog modeling at high audio quality costs a lot of cpu.

[wagtunes]

Horses/cars, tubes/transistors, vinyl/CD, hardware/software - the old guard prefer the former, the young guns prefer the latter. In the end the new usually supercedes the old, whether we like it or not.
These discussions are always going to come up because there are always newcomers to the scene, whatever that scene may be, and they will join in the discussion while old-timers (like me) make their exit.
In the end it's the market that decides which is "best", not the individual.
And anyway, I for one often glean new knowledge from these kinds of discussion. Long may they continue!

A couple of issues:

...Diva is the closest equivalent sound quality wise that I've heard to hardware. Bazille is the closest feature wise to analog that I've heard...

To date so far...

...These developers could built you an equivalent to hardware. They could build you something that could surpass hardware. But you would never be able to play a note on it. The hardware does not exist in quantity to run it. Maybe weather forecasting computers or physics supercomputers could run it. .. but this is beyond reason at the moment...

Your development platform would have to be able to run on these super computers, along with the DAW of your choice. Not sure that that is possible.

...it doesn't matter anyway...

There you go. (I know - out of context.)

I'm one of the old guard (began in 1979) that prefers the new stuff. I wish it was around back then. I find it easier to work with. It's more flexible. And in my opinion, it sounds good enough.

Throw is the low cost and the fact that it takes up no space outside of your keyboard and your PC and I will never go back to an analog studio again.

[trimph1]

Oh, geez, is it already that time of the month again on KVR?

Time of the day..............

And age of curmudgeon. We could be looking at a case of male PMS.

[Ben H]

Analog is NOT software, software is NOT analog. This argument ended ten years + ago. You are WAY behind in your philosophy if you are still comparing the too as equivalents.

Feel free to be wrong.

[xx JPRacer xx]

What a pointless thread...

[trimph1]

what is "best" is subjective and up to you. What is not is that analog modeling at high audio quality costs a lot of cpu.

Well...you might be right....up to a point.

Point being that as processors get more powerful so can vsts...

[trimph1]

and here comes yet another train wreck.

Coal or electric?

Even a trainwreck came by to view this thread.

[Aloysius]

Analog is NOT software, software is NOT analog. This argument ended ten years + ago. You are WAY behind in your philosophy if you are still comparing the too as equivalents.

TOO is not equivalent to TWO. You are WAY behind in your spelling.

[pixel85]

True is that the new guns absolutely doesnt care about it "analog what? wtf is analog?" and old boys are bored to death hearing about another analog/software war...

So yeah, let's stop it

[Dasheesh]

I really don't understand what is so difficult to understand for some of you. The software v.s. hardware debate is moot and long since dead. todays processors are not really good at modeling analog. Very few of todays instruments model analog and the ones that do are not thorough for a reason. It doesn't matter. Software is doing it's own thing and there are some fantastic instruments available. They are designing good software instruments is the point. They are not hardware though.

Hive is different in that it has some real modeling in it. It's a hybrid. That's what sets it apart. (from the post above throwing out names). There is a whole thread about that already though.

[do_androids_dream]

todays processors are not really good at modeling analog.

Vaz synths did, for me, one of the best jobs of modelling analog - for a very low cpu hit.