Weresax - free alto sax with bonus saxcordion and sxnth

[pljones]

I shall make a deep and technical remark at this point: you need a bit more texture in those dark bars.

Thank you.

;D

[bigcat1969]

Would the script work with other woodwinds instruments as well or only Sax?

[DSmolken]

I need to redo those bars, that's for sure.

As for the vibrato working on other woodwinds, maybe, especially for jazz. In classical music vibrato that goes below the pitch and has an unsteady rate would probably make the conductor yell at you, so don't turn those CCs up too much. And the wind noise will require tweaking, but that would also require tweaking for any other sax. But I'll post the code tonight - you can try pasting it in front of any SFZ clarinet or bassoon you have and see what happens.

Here's a demo one of you has already heard. The sax player says it's OK, so it's OK though we might still try to do something more serious. Also includes the sax in accordion mode during the second half.

https://soundcloud.com/karoryfersamples/weresax-morning

[DSmolken]

OK... code...

This should work in Sforzando for pretty much any sax. Could also try applying it to a violin for the "jazz violinist trying to imitate a sax player's vibrato" sound.

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<control>
label_cc7=Master Vol
label_cc10=Master Pan
label_cc100=Attack  
label_cc101=Hold  
label_cc102=Decay  
label_cc103=Sustain
label_cc104=Release
label_cc110=Vibrato To Wind
label_cc111=Vibrato Depth 
label_cc112=Vibrato Speed
label_cc113=Tremolo Depth
label_cc114=Synthy Vibrato
label_cc115=Vibrato To EQ
label_cc116=Vibrato Delay
label_cc117=Humanize Rate
label_cc118=Uneven Pitch
label_cc119=Unsteady Vibrato
label_cc120=Mic Blend
label_cc121=Vel Contrast EQ
label_cc122=Noise Level

set_cc7=100
set_cc10=64
set_cc100=0
set_cc101=0
set_cc102=16
set_cc103=127
set_cc104=20
set_cc112=32
set_cc116=45
set_cc117=32

<global>
amplitude_oncc7=100 //Master volume and pan
pan=-100
pan_oncc10=200

ampeg_attack=0.001 //Basic AHDSR
ampeg_sustain=0
ampeg_release=0.001
ampeg_attack_oncc100=0.3 
ampeg_hold_oncc101=1 
ampeg_decay_oncc102=4
ampeg_sustain_oncc103=100
ampeg_release_oncc104=2

lfo01_pitch_oncc111=20 //Saxy vibrato LFO - goes down from the main pitch
lfo01_freq=2
lfo01_freq_oncc112=8
lfo01_phase=0.25 //To make it start at the top
lfo01_delay_oncc116=1
pitcheg_delay_oncc116=1 //Pitch envelope to drop the central pitch when sax vibrato kicks in
pitcheg_depth_oncc111=-20

lfo02_pitch_oncc114=20 //Synthy vibrato LFO - goes below and above main pitch
lfo02_freq=2
lfo02_freq_oncc112=8 //Same rate as the first LFO
lfo02_delay_oncc116=1 //Same delay, too
lfo02_volume=0 //This LFO also does tremolo, tremolo settings for the wind noise are in the wind noise mapping file
lfo02_volume_oncc113=3
lfo02_phase=0.5 //To make it go down first, then up - more saxlike that way
eq1_freq=4000 //Also can send this LFO to EQ
eq1_bw=2
eq1_gain=0.001 //Needs to be non-zero, apparently?
lfo02_eq1gain_oncc115=6
lfo02_eq1freq_oncc115=1500

var01_eq1gain=9 //Also velocity tracking for the EQ, amount controlled by parameter
var01_eq1freq=1000
var01_mod=mult
var01_oncc121=1 //The control multiplier
var01_oncc131=1 //The velocity
eq1_gain_oncc121=-6

lfo03_wave=-1 //Noise LFO to humanize the other LFOs a bit, also affects wind noise - see wind noise mapping file
lfo03_freq=0.01
lfo03_freq_oncc117=20 //This one has its own rate indepedent of the other two
lfo03_delay_oncc116=0.8 //A bit less than the other LFOs, so that some pitch humanization might kick in a fraction of a second before vibrato starts
lfo3_freq_lfo1_oncc118=0.6 //Both LFOs affected the same
lfo3_freq_lfo2_oncc118=0.6
lfo3_pitch_oncc119=6 //And some pitch drifting around

bend_up=500 //I've read that good sax players can bend by a fourth, so we're going by something I read once
bend_down=-500

off_mode=fast

#include "alto_map_wind_noise.sfz"
#include "whatever_sax_you_want_to_apply_this_to.sfz" //Obviously change this to the sax you want to add these controls to

And the contents of alto_map_wind_noise.sfz are like this, and will probably need some tweaking for the volume, attack speed, and filter. In other words, you might just want to skip this and remove the wind-noise-related stuff from the above file.

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<group>
<region>
sample=*noise
lokey=49 //Set lokey and hikey to the range of the instrument you're applying this to
hikey=80
amp_veltrack=44 //Lower amount of velocity tracking than notes, so noise is more prominent with quiet notes
amplitude_oncc122=1.1 //Vewy vewy quiet
ampeg_attack=0.4
ampeg_attack_oncc141=-0.55 //Faster attack for higher notes
lfo02_volume_oncc110=-7 //Backwards from the regular tremolo - noise gets louder when the note gets quieter
lfo02_volume_oncc113=0 //Unaffected by regular tremolo CC
lfo03_volume_oncc122=4 //LFO3 is random - this makes the noise less steady

cutoff=3000
fil_keytrack=40
fil_type=lpf_1p

[DSmolken]

It's out now! http://www.karoryfer.com/karoryfer-samp ... wa/weresax

[pljones]

I shall have to concoct some evil master plan for using this now. Or over the next full moon...

[bigcat1969]

Grats lots of cool stuff in there!
I was listening to it with some old country midis. Makes a surprisingly good substitute for Hank Williams' voice! Bet you didn't see that one coming.

[DSmolken]

A big thanks to everyone who's given me helpful hints and information in this thread.

I shall have to concoct some evil master plan for using this now. Or over the next full moon...

Ha, yeah, we thought about waiting to release it until the next full moon, but that would be a couple of weeks.

Grats lots of cool stuff in there!
I was listening to it with some old country midis. Makes a surprisingly good substitute for Hank Williams' voice! Bet you didn't see that one coming.

I definitely did not, but it makes a lot of sense - I can totally imagine his vocal lines played by this sax.

[Yeager]

Thanks man, it sounds lovely

[DSmolken]

You're welcome.

A question to everyone who's tried it - do you pretty much plan to just use it as a sax? I personally think the subtractive synth instrument is the most useful one, but I suspect that's just me.

[pljones]

I'll probably be using the sax, possibly layered with itself processed through some effects... my plans are still brewing (as you say, there's a week or so... ). I'm hoping to get it to trigger nicely alongside one of my drumkits as a supporting effect, you see.

[Yeager]

Yep gonna use it as a Sax.
Saxcordian makes me wanna play Libertango... and kill the saxcordionist.

[DSmolken]

Thanks, that's what I would have expected. It's kind of how it is with the cello - I use the synthesizer made from its looped notes (Blackheart) a lot more often than the cello itself, but with the rest of the world the cello is about 10 times more popular, heh.

I generally want to raise the bar and start doing more detailed libraries, and could actually do a real accordion or five - the Karoryfer site admin has a nice collection (and mostly plays clarinet). Could also try to talk this sax player's boyfriend into recording his tenor and bari saxes. We'll see... So far this sax is over 500 downloads in just a couple of days, which is very encouraging.

[banananut]

Hi guys, Is there a way you can offer a payware/donationware version that does not require attribution?
I love the samples and they are very useable, but I never use CC attribution samples in commercial work...
Any help with that?

[DSmolken]

We only want attribution if you're going to reuse it in a sample library. We just put the CC license terms there because it's a lot easier than writing our own, but if you're going to use these samples in tracks then we definitely don't expect attribution - that would be riduclous.

Edit - I added a bit about that at the bottom of http://www.karoryfer.com/karoryfer-samples