Seems few know what 'ambient' means......

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I'll preface my response by saying, my manner can be colorful, playful, adult (versus grown-up), and direct.


Klaus Shulze, yes. A tendency of mine is to visualize words. I first heard of Shulze as a teenager or so on The Hearts of Space, and I didn't know shit about German. (I know a liittle more, now.) I still remember it in my mind's eye: Clause....

deastman wrote:I have to admit that I find a lot of ambient music pretty boring. A droning ambience that goes on for ten minutes with only the occasional gradual timbral variation over the course of a minute. I guess this is the Brian Eno philosophy of background music which creates a mood. Personally, I think there is a lot of room to explore more structured pieces with recurring motifs, even without a rhythmic element. I'm sure there are plenty of artists who have done that sort of thing, but if anyone can point me to some specific examples, I'd love to hear them.
Brian Eno formally studied music, and he's capable. He's second-generation Minimalist (Glass, Reich, and Terry Riley being the first - each of them becoming more mature into the 90s, Riley perhaps earliest and most so.....). But ambient goes back to Mozart, even Bach (especially in cases of Glenn Gould playing his stuff). Its 'modern' version is pretty definitively Debussey....for example, La Mer, and later La Catheral Engloutie. (That's at least fifty years before Shostakovitch, Numanoid. That's a nice piece, though. Shostakovitch was a great composer...even if a bit retro for his time.)

Then there was Satie in that company (Ravel rounding out the trio), especially trance-repetition-wise. So fast-forward a bit through Schoenberg, on to the Americans of the 50s, and you have Morton Feldman. Shifting, repeating elements. And that's where Roach comes in. But not in every piece, and certainly not in the same way - because it's orchestrated. As a trained composer would.

And that is a defining factor of music, whyterabbyt. Ain't got nothin ta do with what I like. I know compositional techniques and class. I don't love Wagner. But those who say it ain't remotely f**king fantastic are naive at best.

That is, zerocrossing, there's progression [in Roach]. Form is open, but there are always [boundary] conditions, type and degree laying the foundation for quality.


Serrie ain't all that. He has some decent orchestration, and fairly succeeds at points...and then he gets almost new-agey goofy at times. Roach don't never do that in his ambient pieces. Harmonic content don't lie.


@Codestation: Funny. I get it....but I don't dig it. I'm not a tinkerer.


@Bobbotov: I've listened to select Steve Roach electro-ambient most days, all day for the last thirteen years. It's space. Inverted sound sculpture. It never demands, and always aids.


@Aryaorman: the Shulze isn't ambient. It's almost there, but there's no 'space' portrayed - the speed and type of the repeating figures are a factor in this. Also, it's tonal. True electro-ambient is VERY chromatic at the least. Now the Radiation Storm is there. Roach has a similar piece, though larger space, larger and more distant objects.

The Risky Business is trance. Grew up with it, love it, but it ain't quite ambient.

ariston wrote:Listening to and writing/performing ambient is a form of meditation to me. It really teaches you HOW to listen. Do it often and you'll begin to appreciate the little details while still being able to experience the whole.
Just like how trained performers learn to play slowly to develop their physical ability, but particularly mentally a sense of temp. Temporal transposition.

Certainly there's a point where something is too fast. But (arguably) not too slow. You have to feel the space. This is life, and arguably very few are emotionally autonomous to listen so fluidly. Those not formally trained especially.


Outside of driving, where it's typically been loud and proud metal/rock/pop/80s country, I've rarely done things with music on. Lately not even driving. Never in physical training; I'm paying attention to breath and my body. Roach electro-ambient is the exception, for the reasons I've stated above. I've had it on when having female company, and they've always remarked about it, that they essentially fall into it.

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I create dark/light sound spaces. It's not "ambient". :hihi: :lol:

Ask 3 musicians to define "ambient" and you'll get 3-1/2 answers...
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A wise man once said... "One mans Ambient is another mans Electronica.."
--After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.

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I hate the term Electronica almost as much as I hate the term EDM :x

Of course it was made in the USA as an convenient tag so that it could more easily be marketed sold :P

In North America, in the late 1990s, the mainstream music industry adopted and to some extent manufactured electronica as an umbrella term encompassing styles such as techno, big beat, drum and bass, trip hop, downtempo, and ambient

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I used to work 45 minutes away from where I lived. Generally I'd work 8 hours at one place then go off and work another 8 hours at the other. Needless to say I was dead tired during that long drive home after the second shift. I started listening to Ambient music because the tracks were so long and didn't like commercial breaks. Had a few close encounters of falling asleep behind the wheel listening to that stuff.

No 16 hour days, no car and no ambient music has worked wonders for me.
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neshel wrote: Klaus Shulze, yes.
This is slowly reminding me of Sigmen Floyd...



No offence, but you never saw an album with his name on it? Never read of him? It's still Klaus Schulze. Sorry to be so finnicky about it, but i don't think it's such a hard task to get a name right. Especially when one argues that only few kow what ambient means, and one can't even get the name of one of the most popular artists of the music right.

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Numanoid wrote:I hate the term Electronica almost as much as I hate the term EDM :x

Of course it was made in the USA as an convenient tag so that it could more easily be marketed sold :P

In North America, in the late 1990s, the mainstream music industry adopted and to some extent manufactured electronica as an umbrella term encompassing styles such as techno, big beat, drum and bass, trip hop, downtempo, and ambient
Well, it does work, though I separate [electro-]ambient from all that stuff. The functionality of categories defies cultural convention.

tapper mike wrote:I started listening to Ambient music because the tracks were so long and didn't like commercial breaks. Had a few close encounters of falling asleep behind the wheel listening to that stuff.
There was a period where my unit went into the field, a rare thing, and us back in the rear were doing 6am to 9pm. (They was playin volley ball the whole time out there......) My windows open on the ride, Pantera, Sepultura, and Death were frequent aural acosters to and from work. I haven't drunk coffee since before then, so....

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neshel wrote: Klaus Shulze, yes.
No offence, but you never saw an album with his name on it? Never read of him? It's still Klaus Schulze. Sorry to be so finnicky about it, but i don't think it's such a hard task to get a name right. Especially when one argues that only few kow what ambient means, and one can't even get the name of one of the most popular artists of the music right.
S'cool, bra.....although scrutinizing such simplistics is a common human device of discrimination, and disregard to avoid transcending one's own process.
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Ambient music is defined by a landscape photo on the cover :lol:

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Mmmmm, coould beee.....

My favorites are the abstract/deep space covers.

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camsr wrote:Ambient music is defined by a landscape photo on the cover :lol:
One of the best albums ever IMO :tu:
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chk071 wrote:It's still Klaus Schulze.
+1 Indeed

It's interesting to see the inbuilt contrast in his name

Klaus = Victory Of The People

Schulze = BurgerMeister, the Sherriff(chief of police), head of a village

He is both a man of the people and one who leads them

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Mine is shepherd. But there seems only mortals in this world, intent on remaining so.


Incidentally: I've rarely read anything on popcul music, and never on electronic music, so I never saw Schulze's name anywhere. I've only bought a few Roach albums in the last several years. The HoS program my aunt bought me in '89. No Schulze on it. (I'm still wanting to leave the 'c' out....had to catch myself both times. I always get Schoenberg correct.....)

Numanoid wrote: One of the best albums ever IMO :tu:
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The oscillating voice in the first track suggests only maybe decent, but I wasn't surprised that it turned into beat. So it fails. And continued to into the second track...... Cover is neat.


This is baaad.

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neshel wrote:Mine is shepherd. But there seems only mortals in this world, intent on remaining so.


Incidentally: I've rarely read anything on popcul music, and never on electronic music, so I never saw Schulze's name anywhere. I've only bought a few Roach albums in the last several years. The HoS program my aunt bought me in '89. No Schulze on it. (I'm still wanting to leave the 'c' out....had to catch myself both times. I always get Schoenberg correct.....)

Numanoid wrote: One of the best albums ever IMO :tu:
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The oscillating voice in the first track suggests only maybe decent, but I wasn't surprised that it turned into beat. So it fails. And continued to into the second track...... Cover is neat.


This is baaad.

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If the album is called Dunes or Clouds, then it's guaranteed ambient. 99% of the time.

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Aryaroman wrote:
If the album is called Dunes or Clouds, then it's guaranteed ambient. 99% of the time.
Hmh-hmh. I'll defer to your authority on that. Makes sense.

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