KVR Audio

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:09 pm

Mace404 wrote:
lesha wrote:I want to know if I decide to manually remove the presets I don't need, would that compromise the plugins I own?
Not at all, that's exactly what I am doing. Like I need the bunch of impulse responses for my MMultiAnalyzer. Just to name an example.

I took the time to clean up the Melda folders once. Now I use my backup tool (Freefilesync) to detect the added files after an update. Then I select the bunch and move them right where they belong > teh trash

He is talking about his users like they are a pain in the ass and/or plain stupid.

Thanks for the info, I will definitely check out FFS

SirKen · Post by **SirKen** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:22 pm

Teksonik wrote:Since this topic will no doubt be deleted from the Melda subforum I'll add it here:

While I do think that you have a point, is it really fair to the dev to start your post like this when that topic still exists and the discussion is still going on?

ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:33 pm

chokehold wrote:Yes. Want to install one, need to download all of them.

Which makes me want to draw attention to another letdown: their Mac installer downloads.

I either download it from their Czech server, which takes about 20 minutes here (wtf's up with that? Germany is a neighbouring country), or I am supposed to download it from Google Drive.

As Mac applications are basically folder constructs and not single binary files, Google Drive lets me explore the folder hierarchy of the "maudioplugins_9_10_setupmac.app", but it doesn't actually provide a damn download. Unless I click through the ENTIRE folder structure, download whatever binary file I hit on my way, and then try to piece the puzzle together by recreating the ENTIRE fekkin folder structure on my hard drive by hand.

Dear Melda Production. You took my money (in all fairness: I gave it to you willingly). Have the decency to provide a ZIPPED Mac installer on Google Drive or use a decent CDN intended for commercial distribution. Thank you.

Hey dude, you seem to overlook the download button at the top of the Google drive page. Of course you can download the whole zip file in one piece.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:45 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Jeez, dev bashing at it's best, suffering from ablutomania?

Jeez thread trolling at it's best. Suffering from delusions of grandeur daddy's boy ?

Anyway silly back and forth insults aside if a Developer does something like this he deserves to be "bashed".

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:49 pm

Gregorius wrote: the "plugin kernel" that has to be inside the windows folder..

Wait....what "plugin kernel" ? I've deleted MReverb and all Melda trash I could find. Does the uninstaller remove this "plugin kernel" or is this something I should go looking for ?

Sorry Melda Fanbois I no longer trust this developer. If that upsets you.....there's the door. Bye Bye.......

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:54 pm

SirKen wrote:
Teksonik wrote:Since this topic will no doubt be deleted from the Melda subforum I'll add it here:
While I do think that you have a point, is it really fair to the dev to start your post like this when that topic still exists and the discussion is still going on?

He doesn't care what's fair to the user. I should care what's fair to him ? Given his attitude I just assumed he would delete the thread from his forum and wanted to preserve the exchange here where unless he gets a main Mod to do it can't be deleted. I haven't been back to that thread....I'll check it out after I boot my main internet machine. Typing on this laptop is a pain..............

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:02 am

There is nothing balanced at all about this hysterical cry of foul. Someone is having a bad day and trying to take a shot at a developer because he didn't get his way and the developer wasn't diplomatic about it. Let's talk balance. Balance the developer's commitment to continuous updates, reliable functionality, contribution to the forums, generous freeware, lack of V2 upgrade pricing options, no built in store or in app purchases, simple authorization scheme an elegant installer and lean software against this pithy complaint of non obtrusive presets ("software" really?)

This is emotion run amok. You can't demonstrate any measurable decline in performance, or any appreciable loss of space with these harmless presets. The entire software once installed with all options is miniscule. Given the paltry size of his software suite you might be better advised to go after bigger more noxious fish. There are developers out there that are far more deserving of your wrath. You are trying to take a bite out of the good guys. Your feelings got hurt. That is all there is to this. Time to chill and get some perspective.

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:20 am

Well, after a quick look at the files installed, there are some xml files that are needed by different plugins, so I wouldn't advise deleting them unless you know what you are doing.

I will refrain from deleting anything, although it would be great if unneeded files weren't there in the first place.

zeep · Post by **zeep** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:26 am

A while ago i posted in Melda's forum also about this too and he gave the same answer, that those files were in places many users don't go to. I felt the same as the OP, i'm very precise with what gets installed on my DAW's, Windows and OSX, and the thought of a whole bunch of files cluttering somewhere just stings. It's messy i think my words were back then.

I own Melda products and am a fan of using them. I've gotten at least 3 colleagues in music production to use them too.
But i hardly ever update the plugins, nor install new ones because of all the files i will then have to remove again afterwards.
The eq i use is still version 7 i think, and it's at 9 now, last time i checked.

Will all due respect Vojtec, and nothing but good will from a paying customer, PLEASE make simple (zip) installs for the individual plugins that just install the necessary files, nothing more.

*edit*
I also want to say Vojtech gives very good customer service and i will certainly remain a happy customer.

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:29 am

lesha wrote:although it would be great if unneeded files weren't there in the first place.

the thing here is that the user is not necessarily privy to all the reasons as to why the files are there - although the dev did mention some. It may be the case that the files are there for economic reasons - ie to make software maintenance easier across all the Melda products - which then has a reflex in the cost to the consumer as well as opportunity costs related to time spent on maintenance rather than on developing new tools. etc etc

Also re zeep's point about individual downloads etc - there is an opportunity costs here - what you are really asking for in practical terms is that instead of something else Vojhtech develops and maintains a different install process. That's asking for a tradeoff of some sort, and maybe that is worth it for you and others, but perhaps not for others.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:30 am

Scotty wrote:There is nothing balanced at all about this hysterical cry of foul.

There's nothing balanced about your blind defense of Melda and there's nothing hysterical about no longer trusting a developer who out of laziness or inability spews files all over your computer then tells you the folder he just installed on your computer "is not for you". You do know how easy it would be for a developer to slip malware on your system right ? Trust him if you will......I do not. Sorry if that ruffles your panties but such is life.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:34 am

woggle wrote:
lesha wrote:although it would be great if unneeded files weren't there in the first place.
the thing here is that the user is not necessarily privy to all the reasons as to why the files are there - although the dev did mention some. It may be the case that the files are there for economic reasons - ie to make software maintenance easier across all the Melda products - which then has a reflex in the cost to the consumer as well as opportunity costs related to time spent on maintenance rather than on developing new tools. etc etc

Spewing presets all over your computer for plugins you don't own has nothing to do with economic reasons. Again imagine if every developer installed every file for every plugin they have with every install. Get the point ?

OutCider · Post by **OutCider** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:38 am

Interesting topic, naturally on kvr, with diametrically opposed view points.

I get the just delete/leave the orphan files argument, but ultimately one shouldn't have to.
I don't think it's too unreasonable to have a multi product installer place only the files needed for a checked plugin on a system.
It seems quite unnecessary when other developers can manage it.

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:40 am

Teksonik wrote: Get the point ?

D'you mean the point that angry trolling about things you don't really understand is getting a bit old and sad? Yeah I get that one - I think there are millions of people who get that one now.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:53 am

woggle wrote:
Teksonik wrote: Get the point ?
D'you mean the point that angry trolling about things you don't really understand is getting a bit old and sad? Yeah I get that one - I think there are millions of people who get that one now.

No the point where you are completely baffled by the subject yet you continue to comment......now that is sad.........

Melda Products Install ALL Presets for ALL Plugins