VolumeShaper 4.1 out now! - Tweaked UI and editing features

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Jakob / Cableguys wrote:But for us, the question is: how many users ever want to use the random function? And if they do, does randomizing points provide satisfying results (or inspiration)? Is it for practical or inspirational use for more than a very small fraction of users?

I was under the impression from all tests, that it is not. Thus the decision to bury the random function in the menu. If random is of enough good use, I am happy to add the button again.
Please add it back again, or just delete the whole function.

I have to speak out when it comes to argueing about if its good enuff or not, like is it for practical or inspirational use.
This is not a given, it is all dependent on the skills of the user and comes down to what he aims to achive.

I think it's a really poor way of judgeing a function by how many users 'appears' to use it or not. Many of users don't have the luxury time of spending time at forums like this, and for sure not the time to write various ways of explaining the same thing over and over.

Should really the majority rule out the minority? The Mob Rules?
I can only see that as very contraproductive and does not lay any foundation for innovation at all.

Now let me ask you this, do you automate and control your Chorus/Flanger/Phaser all the time?

Do you ever make use of a random LFO waveform in you synths?




(Space for reflection and comtemplation)






------- Now please consider this....

Random LFO Waveform are and have been frequently used in synths and in filters as well, not to mention modular systems.

To have this randomise tool at hand is very useful for those who knows and is a possibility for further exploration into the wonders of creativity and innovation for those who choose to do so.

Now, Midishaper is an external LFO with the possiblity to design your own waveform, this is more or less the whole sale pitch is it not?

In this context it would be a clear advantage to be able to randomise waveforms since it is a part of the whole LFO concept to begin with,

Although to be able to randomise with procentage like 12% or 23% and so on. This would be a good way of making slight variations to your waveform.

The same logic apply to Filtershaper and as well Volumeshaper although with Volumeshaper the situations this would be used are much less.


I still have hard time understand why this is met with so much resistance and avoidance? Some user apparently think this is a question of if they use it or not, which it is not.

I did asked why moving this feature is better? And all I get is avoidance with sidetrack issues like, users dont seems to use it.

I am asking it again, why is this better? I know you do know it is not. So why the refusal to understand that you made a misstake with this certain choice?

The Midishaper update was a disaster according to me, I deleted the update and asked me the same question I still do.

If Midishaper is actual suppose to be a flexible "LFO" wavefrom plugin and is created with that purpose, how can the last update be better for practical use?

You did sacrifice half of the edit menu on Midishaper for empty USELESS SPACE.


I am adressing this in the Volumeshaper Beta Thread I know that, but I wouldn't do so if it wasn't for the fact that I see the pattern of doing the same misstake with all your plugins.




[ Using Randomness is not down to pure luck, its a skill to know when to use and how to. With it you can create complex stuff which would at best take years of manual effort ( that excludes the time it would take it to think it out, and sometimes im not too sure anybody could ).......


If you lack to grasp this you still have much to learn little grasshopper. ]

Kung Fu Out....

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We've just uploaded the full version beta for VolumeShaper 4.1 - if you own VolumeShaper 4, you can log in to your account and download it from there.

Presets are all compatible with previous 4.0.x versions.

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Doesn't show up on my account yet, only the beta. Am i too impatient? :P

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chk071 wrote:Doesn't show up on my account yet, only the beta. Am i too impatient? :P
Beta is correct - "full version beta for VolumeShaper 4.1" (instead of "demo version beta..")

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Ah, i wasn't aware that it was a demo version before (and skipped the "beta"). Thanks for the heads up.

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Just a quick note: We will re-add the random button to FilterShaper, MidiShaper and PanCake.

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Jakob / Cableguys wrote:Just a quick note: We will re-add the random button to FilterShaper, MidiShaper and PanCake.
Will the snap to grid button make a comeback?

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SeeingInMidi wrote:
Jakob / Cableguys wrote:Just a quick note: We will re-add the random button to FilterShaper, MidiShaper and PanCake.
Will the snap to grid button make a comeback?
Ha! Well, users complained there were too many buttons, so if we brought all of them back we'd be again where we started with VolumeShaper 1-3..

Snap to grid option is still there via right-click menu or if you hold the SHIFT key while moving the mouse (or, if the snap-to-grid option is activated, it will temporarily disable the snapping).

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The snap to grid is not working when you have a point selection and alter that (with alt pressed for example).

When I was fiddling around with that I was wondering if a morph between 2 shapes is something you might consider.
Then have a dial to morph 0-100% between them automatable like the mix dial.

That can also be a solution for the request i saw earlier for the multiple point automation.

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Jakob / Cableguys wrote:
SeeingInMidi wrote:
Jakob / Cableguys wrote:Just a quick note: We will re-add the random button to FilterShaper, MidiShaper and PanCake.
Will the snap to grid button make a comeback?
Ha! Well, users complained there were too many buttons, so if we brought all of them back we'd be again where we started with VolumeShaper 1-3..

Snap to grid option is still there via right-click menu or if you hold the SHIFT key while moving the mouse (or, if the snap-to-grid option is activated, it will temporarily disable the snapping).

I have seen you like to point out that you work to have your products streamlined.

"stream·line
ˈstrēmˌlīn/
verb
past tense: streamlined; past participle: streamlined

1.
design or provide with a form that presents very little resistance to a flow of air or water, increasing speed and ease of movement.
synonyms: aerodynamic, smooth, sleek

2.
make (an organization or system) more efficient and effective by employing faster or simpler working methods.
synonyms: efficient, smooth-running, well run"



You do understand that in this case it's no.2 that would apply, fast easy access to function via buttons is the most streamlined way there is. Personaly I haven't seen any complains about crowded GUI here on KVR and do read most of the threads, but of course I can have missed it.

I would say thanks for bringing back the Random button but when it comes to Midishaper & Filtershaper that won't be enuff, I rather stay with the old menu since its the best streamlined version yet.

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Jakob / Cableguys wrote:Well, users complained there were too many buttons,...
Who, Guetta? :wink:

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Kr3eM wrote:...fast easy access to function via buttons is the most streamlined way there is.
:borg:

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e@rs wrote:
Jakob / Cableguys wrote:Well, users complained there were too many buttons,...
Who, Guetta? :wink:
No, Guetta just asked for better note editing in Curve when we met him (actually, some improvement has been made for this). As stated before, we regularly invite users, and a less cluttered interface had been brought up multiple times, when we were still at VolumeShaper 3.

Anyway, I continued thinking about it, as I was not happy with adding the random button, and I guess I have a solution which can make everyone happy: Simply an option "Show additional wave buttons" in the settings. When on, all buttons are shown again, including random, snap-to-grid, copy+paste. For some plugins, for example Curve and FilterShaper this might need some re-design, but we'll see to solve this.

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Jakob / Cableguys wrote: I continued thinking about it, as I was not happy with adding the random button, and I guess I have a solution which can make everyone happy: Simply an option "Show additional wave buttons" in the settings. When on, all buttons are shown again, including random, snap-to-grid, copy+paste. For some plugins, for example Curve and FilterShaper this might need some re-design, but we'll see to solve this.
I was going to ask for something like an alternative GUI for us who likes as much functionality as possible available without digging through submenus, something like this serves that same purpose. Good thinking! :tu:

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Jakob / Cableguys wrote:
e@rs wrote:
Jakob / Cableguys wrote:Well, users complained there were too many buttons,...
Who, Guetta? :wink:
No, Guetta just asked for better note editing in Curve when we met him (actually, some improvement has been made for this). As stated before, we regularly invite users, and a less cluttered interface had been brought up multiple times, when we were still at VolumeShaper 3.

Anyway, I continued thinking about it, as I was not happy with adding the random button, and I guess I have a solution which can make everyone happy: Simply an option "Show additional wave buttons" in the settings. When on, all buttons are shown again, including random, snap-to-grid, copy+paste. For some plugins, for example Curve and FilterShaper this might need some re-design, but we'll see to solve this.
great idea, jakob - really appreciate that!

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