KVR Audio

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Thu May 19, 2016 3:49 pm

Jupiter plug out on the horizon.

Maybe they will come out with the bigger System 8

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu May 19, 2016 3:50 pm

Site's working fine for me here. Seems like the upgrade price is right for sure. I'd pay $199 for a decent Synclavier emulation.

...but, is it a decent Synclavier emulation? I guess I'll see. I really don't need another synth but... well I'm mentally ill.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:03 pm

zerocrossing wrote:Site's working fine for me here. Seems like the upgrade price is right for sure. I'd pay $199 for a decent Synclavier emulation.

...but, is it a decent Synclavier emulation? I guess I'll see. I really don't need another synth but... well I'm mentally ill.

I'm not sure that digital is Arturia's strongest area. All their synths have a sort of softness to them that doesn't work so well for digital stuff like wavetable and fm. So I'm less hopeful for that one.

fallacy · Post by **fallacy** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:08 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:Site's working fine for me here. Seems like the upgrade price is right for sure. I'd pay $199 for a decent Synclavier emulation.

...but, is it a decent Synclavier emulation? I guess I'll see. I really don't need another synth but... well I'm mentally ill.
I'm not sure that digital is Arturia's strongest area. All their synths have a sort of softness to them that doesn't work so well for digital stuff like wavetable and fm. So I'm less hopeful for that one.

Try it and see. It's my favourite so far... But I don't own a Synclavier or have ever even come close to one...

ke2041 · Post by **ke2041** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:17 pm

zerocrossing wrote: ...but, is it a decent Synclavier emulation? I guess I'll see. I really don't need another synth but... well I'm mentally ill.

It's not an emulation, it's the actual Synclavier audio engine running in the Synclavier V.
We have partnered with Cameron Jones the original developer of the Synclavier.

Check the promotional video to get the full story behind it:

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:24 pm

zerocrossing wrote:Site's working fine for me here. Seems like the upgrade price is right for sure. I'd pay $199 for a decent Synclavier emulation.

...but, is it a decent Synclavier emulation? I guess I'll see. I really don't need another synth but... well I'm mentally ill.

That's the one I'm all over as well, and I HATE arturia, but it's a computer based synth and not an analog model, how can they f that one up right? Plus, they got the original code and developer involved. It has to work.

kiezum · Post by **kiezum** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:25 pm

So I'll get Synclavier V, B-3 V, Piano V, Stage-73 V for €200? Only the MiniV is soundwise improved? This doesn't sound tempting.

fallacy · Post by **fallacy** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:31 pm

kiezum wrote:So I'll get Synclavier V, B-3 V, Piano V, Stage-73 V for €200? Only the MiniV is soundwise improved? This doesn't sound tempting.

Who said that? I read in the other thread that _all_ the sound engines were upgraded. Perhaps Kevin can answer this?

ke2041 · Post by **ke2041** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:33 pm

fallacy wrote:
kiezum wrote:So I'll get Synclavier V, B-3 V, Piano V, Stage-73 V for €200? Only the MiniV is soundwise improved? This doesn't sound tempting.
Who said that? I read in the other thread that _all_ the sound engines were upgraded. Perhaps Kevin can answer this?

There has been several improvements on the other instruments engines but the Mini V filter is the only one that has been completely redesigned from scratch.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:33 pm

Boardwalk wrote:Hmm.. the fact Arturia is no longer allowed to wear the Jupiter name could point at the supposition that Roland is not so happy with Arturia.
I don't think it has to do with future use of the name itself; obviously Roland doesn't have to worry about the Jupiter tag.
And besides, why should they ask such a high prize for an upgrade of such an old product?
Suspicion rises

Well, now you have two companies making Jupiter 8 emulations. While Roland's is tied to hardware, they could very well be paving the road for a future software version like they did with the plug-outs. IMO, the Roland plug ins sound brilliant, but they're monophonic. An 8 voice System 100 plug in would bring any PC to it's knees. Assuming the System 1 can only run one of those at a time, if they did a System 2 with 8 voice polyphony, it would be pretty expensive. The Boutique does not have the same sound quality, IMO, which is especially apparent when you use cross mod. Anyway, processors are always getting faster so it would be smart for Roland to cozy up to its trademark for future products. Maybe in preparation they upped the cost of that license. It was probably a little short sighted to have sold it in the first place. If you own Arturia stuff, the upgrade price seems excellent to me, especially considering all you get.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I like some of the Arturia products, but there's a hazy indistinct kind of sound to them that's a start contrast to plug ins from U-he, GForce and XILS. According to my account page, I don't even have some of them installed on my current machine. I do remember recently doing an A/B of the Prophet V with my Zarg ProWave emulation and it was no contest. The ProWave was noticeably better when comparing original Prophet 5 presets. Of course, both can't hold a candle to the Prophet 6 which also has the original Prophet 5 presets installed. But, where Arturia gets interesting is in the Analog Lab software where you can start combining things.

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:36 pm

kiezum wrote:So I'll get Synclavier V, B-3 V, Piano V, Stage-73 V for €200? Only the MiniV is soundwise improved? This doesn't sound tempting.

The new GUIs are the biggest plus for me.

Boardwalk · Post by **Boardwalk** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:38 pm

Yes, me like the GUI very muchies.
For a snob like me that's worth $50

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:42 pm

Kevin [Arturia] wrote:
zerocrossing wrote: ...but, is it a decent Synclavier emulation? I guess I'll see. I really don't need another synth but... well I'm mentally ill.
It's not an emulation, it's the actual Synclavier audio engine running in the Synclavier V.
We have partnered with Cameron Jones the original developer of the Synclavier.

Check the promotional video to get the full story behind it:

Well poop me pants. I'm in then. How do you get around the 100 kHz sample rate? When I was a pup I had the amazing luck to have worked for Laurie Anderson on her Home Of The Brave movie, so I was up close and personal to her Synclavier during that project. I never got to actually play it though. I was more of a grunt assigned to move it when it needed moving and edit some audio files in preparation for sampling. I still dreamt that one day I'd own one, which at the time seemed like a total impossibility considering at the time I think the price from NED was around $300,000. You should contact Laurie and see if she'll endorse Synclavier V. I bet she'd embrace a modern way to get that sound in a tiny package.

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:42 pm

Boardwalk wrote:Yes, me like the GUI very muchies.
For a snob like me that's worth $50

You also missed the Farfisa.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:45 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
Boardwalk wrote:Hmm.. the fact Arturia is no longer allowed to wear the Jupiter name could point at the supposition that Roland is not so happy with Arturia.
I don't think it has to do with future use of the name itself; obviously Roland doesn't have to worry about the Jupiter tag.
And besides, why should they ask such a high prize for an upgrade of such an old product?
Suspicion rises
Well, now you have two companies making Jupiter 8 emulations. While Roland's is tied to hardware, they could very well be paving the road for a future software version like they did with the plug-outs. IMO, the Roland plug ins sound brilliant, but they're monophonic. An 8 voice System 100 plug in would bring any PC to it's knees. Assuming the System 1 can only run one of those at a time, if they did a System 2 with 8 voice polyphony, it would be pretty expensive. The Boutique does not have the same sound quality, IMO, which is especially apparent when you use cross mod. Anyway, processors are always getting faster so it would be smart for Roland to cozy up to its trademark for future products. Maybe in preparation they upped the cost of that license. It was probably a little short sighted to have sold it in the first place. If you own Arturia stuff, the upgrade price seems excellent to me, especially considering all you get.

I really think plug outs polyphony limitation was more because Roland thinks it is the proper way to make an realistic emulation. The system 1 plug in has similar consumption per voice as the Sh2 and the promars, the ones I tried. Obviously the system 1 plug out was hungry as hell using 4 voices (maybe that's why they no longer sell it), not very usable.

I think Roland won't release the plug outs of the monophonic synths as poly even in a bigger System 1, they will work the same as in the System 1.

But I would expect that if a bigger system 1 is in the works it will have double the DSP as the System 1 and the boutiques (which use the same DSP chip BTW) and can make use of the Jp08, JU106 and future poly plug outs with 8 voice polyphony. If not Roland be damned.

New Arturia Plugins