Recognizing and owning up to your own arrogance.

[Mister Natural]

OP - I really like your first post where it seems you're more at peace with making "your" music - and I think that's really the point here. Good for you !

For me: I make the tunes I make . . . just for me. Primarily because I'm compelled to do so by my inner siren. If someone else wants to judge that output; it's on them to make of it what they will.
It would never stop me from banging away at my Stratocaster and computer.
I don't know if that's me being arrogant or humble = don't care

peace

[jancivil]

it is all about expression so learning anything is not necessary

Alrighty then.

You'd love OBYONETAOPY I bet. He gone now though.

[jancivil]

I think the fact of loops on a computer, just that little slice of it, encourages someone that is all about instant approbation and validation... let alone all of that.

To some extent agree, to another disagree. I agree that this sort of stuff encourages the fresh producers to think that they're going to be putting out those original "banger tunes" quickly. But I'd argue also about the aspect that they might already be predetermined with the mentality before they even get to that point.

What do we not agree on again? I said that this capability encourages that sort of person.
I stand by everything I said here, and I feel like it's articulated well enough. The particular modi operandi is no determinant like that, that would not be a reasonable statement. I did not make it, there is what I said about loops.

I mention that, tendency of a (as you bring in, a young) person with a machine's result they can stick their name on ('I make beats') could mean they never went on stage and felt scared of falling flat, or felt downright ridiculous when they did.

Yup, must agree here [...]
I find it ridiculous how some people do these "live shows" despite not playing anything at all really. And they do it solo. To me that kind of stuff just feels rather... slimy, I guess.

Well, I suppose because I have some distance from that particular thing, I don't have anything against that. My old musical partner-in-crime, as close musically as I'll ever get to somebody, posted some Loscil last nite. And that guy apparently does something live, I think solo.
I enjoyed the one thing... it was part of a playlist of course, & I didn't go for all of it.

[Robmobius]

We're not calling you arrogant, you are arrogant.

Damn straight!

Literally

You don't know, that you don't know...

I already stated, predicted some more of it, that that view will have people calling me arrogant. This shouldn't be about me. I don't give the slightest hint of a shart what you think about me.

Thanks for letting me know...

I think the term 'irony' is truly wasted on you.

[Synapse2k]

I know uhhtuhpwuh mans

[Synapse2k]

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[jancivil]

I think the term 'irony' is truly wasted on you.

Where is the irony? You purely* disrespected me in a thread, where I'd predicted exactly the diss.
Then you act cute about it? (*: you made no point about any statement)

It would be ironic if I had at some point in a thread had a go at you, having no particular interaction with you in said thread (or anywhere), without making even an attempt at a point, and then called you out for doing the same here.

I don't know what I don't know. (what are you, Donald Rumsfeld?)
Yeah, so hip me on the extent of the type of personality that does what you did, and then to keep on with this silly shit.

The thread is "owning up to your own arrogance". I don't think my view, that essentially composing music ought to come from people with experience with compositions, rather than some of what I've seen, is unreasonable. I find that people presenting as they do, as I have seen for some yrs now, with a certain expectation might be kind of arrogant.
In my musical life, I know where I stood with little illusion, and consistently placed myself in the situation that allowed no illusions.

Do you have anything to say about something other than me here? I think we're all bored of that. But I enjoy the platform you provide, I have to admit.

[Robmobius]

consistently placed myself in the situation that allowed no illusions.

Uhhh... No you didn't.

[Robmobius]

Where is the irony? You purely* disrespected me in a thread, where I'd predicted exactly the diss.
Then you act cute about it? (*: you made no point about any statement)

I certainly did... But it appeared to go over your head (which was inevatable I guess).

I'll try again...

To quote 'Donald'.

'You don't know, that you don't know...'

[rifftrax]

I feel a bit the same way. Here's my personal list of "welcome to reality" audio/music related experiences in not necessarily chronological order:

1. Had a friend with executive contacts at Nintendo. Said he would present my music. Apparently it sounded too much like their 8-bit stuff and they passed.
2. Met the guy in charge of Disney's international live show division (lives in Eagle Point, OR) at an airport. He was interested in talking business, I gave him my then new work email address. Turns out my company had forgot to activate the account and I never got the email. f**k
3. Someone stole my music and used it in a game that won a $10k purse in a game design competition. Realized this when a friend's kid brother was playing the game on a computer and I heard a song that sounded very ... familiar...
4. Spun up a event planning gig, met Rick Ross and booked Nipsey Hustle/Kirko Bangz/Kid Ink with some the help of some "kinda" shady people in a situation that looked workable for a small town (I won't say where). Entire thing went to shit in the most hellish fashion imaginable. Got kicked out of the room I was renting and lost everything I had while people threatened me with all kinds of legal action when all the money went "missing"
5. Knew a guy who was friends with the creator of Minecraft. Promised to get my music in front of him. Never happened.
6. Collab'd with Pete Townshend two years back. Owner of Spirit music group said he was interested in doing additional stuff for release. After a certain point I never heard back about any of it.
7. Worked for a toy development company that did audio production (composition/sound design/everything) for all the big releases. Had a single song in a major toy before they pigeon-holed me into an IT position because the previous sys admin decided to simply not show up one day and I was the only other person who could do his job. I quit soon after.
8. Knew a guy that was putting an actual recording studio in a mall (I shit you not). This dude secured some initial funding and then got caught drinking alcohol with underage kids with some "not ok" things happening in tandem and later had big scary dudes looking to murder him show up at intermittent times. Private investigators and the whole bit followed. A number of people stole all the gear and the mall blacklisted everyone involved. Bad shit.

Needless to say I basically have given up pretending that I will accomplish actual f**k all with music at any point. The truth is I don't have a f**king clue where the line between actual work/talent and just getting balls-to-the-wall lucky lies. My experience professionally with music is that it's a complete shit show that occasionally rewards something besides nominal ability and simply being in the right place at the right time.

[Robmobius]

I feel a bit the same way. Here's my personal list of "welcome to reality" audio/music related experiences in not necessarily chronological order:

1. Had a friend with executive contacts at Nintendo. Said he would present my music. Apparently it sounded too much like their 8-bit stuff and they passed.
2. Met the guy in charge of Disney's international live show division (lives in Eagle Point, OR) at an airport. He was interested in talking business, I gave him my then new work email address. Turns out my company had forgot to activate the account and I never got the email. f**k
3. Someone stole my music and used it in a game that won a $10k purse in a game design competition. Realized this when a friend's kid brother was playing the game on a computer and I heard a song that sounded very ... familiar...
4. Spun up a event planning gig, met Rick Ross and booked Nipsey Hustle/Kirko Bangz/Kid Ink with some the help of some "kinda" shady people in a situation that looked workable for a small town (I won't say where). Entire thing went to shit in the most hellish fashion imaginable. Got kicked out of the room I was renting and lost everything I had while people threatened me with all kinds of legal action when all the money went "missing"
5. Knew a guy who was friends with the creator of Minecraft. Promised to get my music in front of him. Never happened.
6. Collab'd with Pete Townshend two years back. Owner of Spirit music group said he was interested in doing additional stuff for release. After a certain point I never heard back about any of it.
7. Worked for a toy development company that did audio production (composition/sound design/everything) for all the big releases. Had a single song in a major toy before they pigeon-holed me into an IT position because the previous sys admin decided to simply not show up one day and I was the only other person who could do his job. I quit soon after.
8. Knew a guy that was putting an actual recording studio in a mall (I shit you not). This dude secured some initial funding and then got caught drinking alcohol with underage kids with some "not ok" things happening in tandem and later had big scary dudes looking to murder him show up at intermittent times. Private investigators and the whole bit followed. A number of people stole all the gear and the mall blacklisted everyone involved. Bad shit.

Needless to say I basically have given up pretending that I will accomplish actual f**k all with music at any point. The truth is I don't have a f**king clue where the line between actual work/talent and just getting balls-to-the-wall lucky lies. My experience professionally with music is that it's a complete shit show that occasionally rewards something besides nominal ability and simply being in the right place at the right time.

By the sounds of it... You've got the talent but have been exceedingly unlucky. And that truly sucks...

[JJ_Jettflow]

it is all about expression so learning anything is not necessary

Alrighty then.

You'd love OBYONETAOPY I bet. He gone now though.

For clarity, here is an example.

My sister wanted to be a writer but I had never ever seen her read anything. I even asked her that and her reply was "you don't to have to read to write a book!" She wrote several stories and let my Mother and I read them. The were, as expected, terrible and also extremely smutty. We were both blunt with her but she was not deterred and sent them off several magazines. Of course they were rejected. One magazine wrote in their reply that this was far too explicit for their mag and she should think of submitting to the adult magazines. She did and they accepted it and she got paid for it as well. However, without any formal training her career was short because without and literary skills it quickly became redundant and no longer worth any money.


So again, no formal training needed and she was able to get published. However, it was smut and it was only for about a year. If she had learned for her experience then she would have taken courses and tried to become better. Instead she just claimed CFS and got a pension instead.

Another shorter example is Yoko Ono.

[harryupbabble]

I feel a bit the same way. Here's my personal list of "welcome to reality" audio/music related experiences in not necessarily chronological order:

1. Had a friend with executive contacts at Nintendo. Said he would present my music. Apparently it sounded too much like their 8-bit stuff and they passed.
2. Met the guy in charge of Disney's international live show division (lives in Eagle Point, OR) at an airport. He was interested in talking business, I gave him my then new work email address. Turns out my company had forgot to activate the account and I never got the email. f**k
3. Someone stole my music and used it in a game that won a $10k purse in a game design competition. Realized this when a friend's kid brother was playing the game on a computer and I heard a song that sounded very ... familiar...
4. Spun up a event planning gig, met Rick Ross and booked Nipsey Hustle/Kirko Bangz/Kid Ink with some the help of some "kinda" shady people in a situation that looked workable for a small town (I won't say where). Entire thing went to shit in the most hellish fashion imaginable. Got kicked out of the room I was renting and lost everything I had while people threatened me with all kinds of legal action when all the money went "missing"
5. Knew a guy who was friends with the creator of Minecraft. Promised to get my music in front of him. Never happened.
6. Collab'd with Pete Townshend two years back. Owner of Spirit music group said he was interested in doing additional stuff for release. After a certain point I never heard back about any of it.
7. Worked for a toy development company that did audio production (composition/sound design/everything) for all the big releases. Had a single song in a major toy before they pigeon-holed me into an IT position because the previous sys admin decided to simply not show up one day and I was the only other person who could do his job. I quit soon after.
8. Knew a guy that was putting an actual recording studio in a mall (I shit you not). This dude secured some initial funding and then got caught drinking alcohol with underage kids with some "not ok" things happening in tandem and later had big scary dudes looking to murder him show up at intermittent times. Private investigators and the whole bit followed. A number of people stole all the gear and the mall blacklisted everyone involved. Bad shit.

Needless to say I basically have given up pretending that I will accomplish actual f**k all with music at any point. The truth is I don't have a f**king clue where the line between actual work/talent and just getting balls-to-the-wall lucky lies. My experience professionally with music is that it's a complete shit show that occasionally rewards something besides nominal ability and simply being in the right place at the right time.

Sounds like an episode of Maron.

[Synapse2k]

He says all the right things at all the right times.

[Synapse2k]

Ganesh is not facilitated with etiquette.