Halion 6 or Falcon?
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- KVRAF
- 20660 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
With Cubase, you can simply drag an audio file from a track into HALion. I don't know if this works with other DAW's.
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- KVRAF
- 22868 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
With all the commotion going on with HALion 6 right now, especially if you're on Windows 7 (don't know if you are or not) I'd go with Falcon. As much as I wanted to get HALion 6, I'm waiting until all the problems are sorted out.
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- KVRist
- 122 posts since 19 Dec, 2016
Can anybody say this for Falcon!! End of storyGoogly Smythe wrote:I would think that only people who have used both would have a valid opinion here - that rules me out as I only have HALion.
I use HALion on every project, often it's the only synth, even though I have a dozen other synths...
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- KVRAF
- 22868 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
I can.Wavegem wrote:Can anybody say this for Falcon!! End of storyGoogly Smythe wrote:I would think that only people who have used both would have a valid opinion here - that rules me out as I only have HALion.
I use HALion on every project, often it's the only synth, even though I have a dozen other synths...
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- KVRAF
- 22868 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
There is plenty of content in Falcon. How would you know if you don't even own it?Wavegem wrote:It's because there is NO content!! Thank you very much
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- KVRAF
- 22868 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Well if it's such a horrible synth, why did you buy it?Wavegem wrote:I actually do and every other synth except for let's say d-16 lush has more content lol
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- KVRist
- 122 posts since 11 Mar, 2015
I don't own Halion 6 yet, but I've got Halion 5 (sadly they seem very similar). I find Halion easier to use than Falcon and I use it more day to day, on the other hand, Falcon seems more actively developed with more updates. It very much depends on your requirements, neither fit mine perfectly.
Falcon's synth facilities are better, but it's a war that both samplers lose to dedicated synth VSTi's. Halion's granular stuff is great, but it's basically Padshop Pro bolted in, so it's often quicker to just use that. Falcon seems to have better modulation routing options on the whole. Halion's synth engine just sounds cheap, there are plenty of better sounding plugins for free. Seems like a waste of time comparing synth sections for sampler plugins that aren't very good synths.
Falcon allows full keyboard microtuning using Scala and keyboard maps, whereas Halion only allows the retuning of 12 notes (it'll do it with Scala files, but doesn't support KBM's). If Falcon supported MTS it would be the most complete synth/sampler on the market for microtuning.
Falcon has better looping facilities, but neither are as good as, for example, discoDSP Bliss or TAL Sampler. Looping in Halion is pretty poor.
They're both full of nonsense you'll probably never need - I don't care about grand pianos, brass sections or weird virtual instruments. I find it hard to believe that people that are spending this sort of money on software do care about that content, and if they do they're nearly certainly using big Kontakt banks, which are far better than anything supplied with either Falcon or Halion. Both platforms are overtly fixated on that part of the market, but they're nowhere near Kontakt in terms of quality of available content - surely very few are buying this stuff for the sample content and it's a big red herring?
I'd be torn on this issue if I had neither and was going to buy and learn one of them now. I think, given how disappointed I am at Halion 6 I'd be more likely to go with Falcon, on the other hand, familiarity means I'm more likely to use Halion in the next track I make. I feel let down by Halion, I'm starting to realise they're unlikely to address any of the basic usability stuff. It's the same company that took decades of user persuading to add dockable windows to Cubase, Steinberg are terrible listeners! I expect I'll relent and give them the upgrade fee in the end, but I can't help but wish for a sampler that's dedicated to manipulating sound rather than the market for sample banks.
Falcon's synth facilities are better, but it's a war that both samplers lose to dedicated synth VSTi's. Halion's granular stuff is great, but it's basically Padshop Pro bolted in, so it's often quicker to just use that. Falcon seems to have better modulation routing options on the whole. Halion's synth engine just sounds cheap, there are plenty of better sounding plugins for free. Seems like a waste of time comparing synth sections for sampler plugins that aren't very good synths.
Falcon allows full keyboard microtuning using Scala and keyboard maps, whereas Halion only allows the retuning of 12 notes (it'll do it with Scala files, but doesn't support KBM's). If Falcon supported MTS it would be the most complete synth/sampler on the market for microtuning.
Falcon has better looping facilities, but neither are as good as, for example, discoDSP Bliss or TAL Sampler. Looping in Halion is pretty poor.
They're both full of nonsense you'll probably never need - I don't care about grand pianos, brass sections or weird virtual instruments. I find it hard to believe that people that are spending this sort of money on software do care about that content, and if they do they're nearly certainly using big Kontakt banks, which are far better than anything supplied with either Falcon or Halion. Both platforms are overtly fixated on that part of the market, but they're nowhere near Kontakt in terms of quality of available content - surely very few are buying this stuff for the sample content and it's a big red herring?
I'd be torn on this issue if I had neither and was going to buy and learn one of them now. I think, given how disappointed I am at Halion 6 I'd be more likely to go with Falcon, on the other hand, familiarity means I'm more likely to use Halion in the next track I make. I feel let down by Halion, I'm starting to realise they're unlikely to address any of the basic usability stuff. It's the same company that took decades of user persuading to add dockable windows to Cubase, Steinberg are terrible listeners! I expect I'll relent and give them the upgrade fee in the end, but I can't help but wish for a sampler that's dedicated to manipulating sound rather than the market for sample banks.
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Wrong. Reading the manual, it does support full keyboard tuning maps, there's a button that toggles between octave microtuning and full 128 key microtuning.monomaker wrote:Falcon allows full keyboard microtuning using Scala and keyboard maps, whereas Halion only allows the retuning of 12 notes (it'll do it with Scala files, but doesn't support KBM's).
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Bullshit.Wavegem wrote:I actually do and every other synth except for let's say d-16 lush has more content lol
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
Just wondering. Should the micro tuner open a MIDI file to work with this or is this something that is sent in realtime because I'm not sure host would let those message go through like most Sysex stuff ?monomaker wrote: If Falcon supported MTS it would be the most complete synth/sampler on the market for microtuning.
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
That is sent in realtime. Some hosts like Logic do it.
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
I would be happy with .tun file import.otristan wrote:Just wondering. Should the micro tuner open a MIDI file to work with this or is this something that is sent in realtime because I'm not sure host would let those message go through like most Sysex stuff ?monomaker wrote: If Falcon supported MTS it would be the most complete synth/sampler on the market for microtuning.
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
if you have a webpage that describes the format, this should be doable.Cinebient wrote:I would be happy with .tun file import.otristan wrote:Just wondering. Should the micro tuner open a MIDI file to work with this or is this something that is sent in realtime because I'm not sure host would let those message go through like most Sysex stuff ?monomaker wrote: If Falcon supported MTS it would be the most complete synth/sampler on the market for microtuning.
I have found some on the net but want to be sure of the actual format between Tuning and Exact Tuning section.
if the second one is optional or not for example.
Edit: Nervermind, found it. http://www.mark-henning.de/files/am/Tun ... V2_Doc.pdf