Behringer D Synth - Full Analog, Eurorack compatible, No Keys, 400$

[chk071]

See, i'd be absolutely ok with that, if you wouldn't get it over in such a pr*** way. Sorry.

[zerocrossing]

I think they blew it. If they had done what the Deepmind did to the Juno 106 to this synth (took the basic design and moved forward) and sold it for a little more, I think it could be perfect, but as it is... well I'm good with the 3 osc analog I have (Neptune 2) that includes things like osc sync, velocity and aftertouch, ring mod and two types of analog distortion. To me it sounds just as good as any Model D. (though different)

[idfpower]

Calm down, ppl, sheesh

It wouldn't be the 1st time when B drops the bomb and then lets it fizzle out. The whole idea is to keep ppl fired up and win spotlight time - obviously, it works. In the end God knows what they'll actually release. But on the other hand, you can bet on this: if there's someone who knows how all this legal stuff works, is B. They've reached their market position by making money, not losing it in court. They know how to swim in those waters very well. That's precisely why they do what they do - because they can and it's up for grabs.

Don't get fooled by the moving stories some folks like to tell on forums or in media - there is no ethics in today's economy. Not anymore. The whole tank is full of sharks - some are ugly, others look cool and all - but they're still sharks.

Here's a question: B manages to make a 1:1 clone for 400$; Moog sells the same thing for 3499$. Who's being honest & ethical? So let's drop this argument, ok...

[fmr]

Wasn't it Apple that sued Samsung alleging they copied the iPhone look?

Anyway, I think Moog never patented the look of Minimoog, and even if they did, that patent has long expired like all the others

[Armadillo]

Mr. Behringer mentions on a thread on Gearslutz that this is just one of many.
Apparently Behringer are working on 20 synths, with the possibility that the cheapest one with sell for as little as $49.
Yep, $49 for an analog synth .

More info here:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... st12488106

[xalama qo]

^^nice. I was just thinking I'd rather B did an SH-101 clone than a Mini. Let's see what else is cooking.

[Daags]

Because of patents.

LOL! Which patents would those be? I have to laugh at KVR sometimes, you guys know jack shit about IP law but will argue nonsense until you're blue in the face. Is there a copyright violation here for the artwork, maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. It's different enough.

Any patents on the model D have long expired. There is absolutely nothing wrong with making your own version of a model D and trying to sell it. If you guys want to blame anyone, blame yourselves for having a nostalgia fetish. That's why this will sell, for the same reason that you want clones of the 909 and the 303 If you want new stuff, then buy new stuff and the market will respond.

Get mad at Behringer all you want, but I like their stuff and I like what they're doing to pressure the marketplace into being more competitive. To me, they are the new Mackie.

spot on, sir.

[deastman]

Wasn't it Apple that sued Samsung alleging they copied the iPhone look?

Anyway, I think Moog never patented the look of Minimoog, and even if they did, that patent has long expired like all the others

Patent the LOOK of the Minimoog? Again, trade dress is the legislation which covers the visual appearance of the product, not patents. Also, keep in mind that the current Moog Music is really Big Briar, a company which Bob Moog later started after giving up the original Moog Music. The current company does not own any patents on the original Minimoog.

[ghettosynth]

Mr. Behringer mentions on a thread on Gearslutz that this is just one of many.
Apparently Behringer are working on 20 synths, with the possibility that the cheapest one with sell for as little as $49.
Yep, $49 for an analog synth .

More info here:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... st12488106

Cool, any more detail on the other potential products?

[Albert.VST]

Here's a question: B manages to make a 1:1 clone for 400$; Moog sells the same thing for 3499$. Who's being honest & ethical? So let's drop this argument, ok...

Good point. Modern manufacturing technology should bring prices down, Korg also proved this with a polyphonic synth for ~$ 500.
The high price for 'the real Moog' makes it unreachable for many, the B price makes it at least payable for more. Moog unethical? Nah, but don't be surprised some other does take advantage of the possibilities.

[ghettosynth]

Here's a question: B manages to make a 1:1 clone for 400$; Moog sells the same thing for 3499$. Who's being honest & ethical? So let's drop this argument, ok...

Good point. Modern manufacturing technology should bring prices down, Korg also proved this with a polyphonic synth for ~$ 500.
The high price for 'the real Moog' makes it unreachable for many, the B price makes it at least payable for more. Moog unethical? Nah, but don't be surprised some other does take advantage of the possibilities.

Moog stuff has been overpriced since they re-entered the market. They haven't produced anything that has caught my attention. The whole "premium" product argument is somewhat absurd IMNSHO. Don't get me wrong, I do think that there's some value in making solid instruments with great controls and knobs. I also realize that those elements drive up the cost. However, $5k monosynths in limited edition...with turbo...are simply milking the demand for Moog vintage products.

Now if they were actually doing groundbreaking stuff, I might think differently, but that hasn't been the Moog m/o since the seventies at best. There are only so many ways to sell a ladder filter, and I think that Moog has worn them all out.

[idfpower]

Modern manufacturing technology should bring prices down, Korg also proved this with a polyphonic synth for ~$ 500.

Agreed. It's time to cash in. The production costs have dropped, but most companies still price their stuff up. Same factories, same raw mats, just different brands labelled on. And for that alone, the price goes through the roof. It's not ok.

[Armadillo]

Mr. Behringer mentions on a thread on Gearslutz that this is just one of many.
Apparently Behringer are working on 20 synths, with the possibility that the cheapest one with sell for as little as $49.
Yep, $49 for an analog synth .

More info here:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... st12488106

Cool, any more detail on the other potential products?

Not yet.
You can see all his posts about the Model D here btw.
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... l?u=129700

[ghettosynth]

See, i'd be absolutely ok with that, if you wouldn't get it over in such a pr*** way. Sorry.

Yeah, no, you're right, I was being a bit full of myself. It's hard work to shed that you know. I get tired of the argument that somehow every single expression of creativity is worthy of infinite reward and is somehow sacred and I really want to discourage that and encourage the embracement of creativity and innovation. Behringer is doing the market a favor and has been successful in leveraging their right to use the creative work of others to innovate. That's exactly the purpose of IP laws, it's an exchange, a grant of LIMITED protection to encourage creativity and production in return you accept that eventually others will be able to use your work to create new works.

In particular, sans patents, there's no sacred cow in schematics, so anyone who thinks that there is needs to just get the f**k over it. Trade Dress, Copyrights, and Design Patents give protection for look and feel in different ways, but they all have their limitations.

There's very little innovation in analog synths today and, frankly, Behringer is the only larger company that isn't almost completely myopic in their view of technology. I like Korg's new products, but, they are all derivative of their past products, Roland is the poster child for this, Moog is still OMG Ladder Filter, and only recently has DSI moved away from OMG CEM filter! No, I didn't forget Yamaha, they've still got their thumb so far up their ass that they really aren't sure if their elbow is supposed to be that color.

Behringer doesn't have an analog past to be myopic about and they have a great history of successfully AND LEGALLY leveraging the creative work of others and delivering them to the market in an affordable manner. As far as I'm concerned, that's a recipe for great products.

[Wormhelmet]

Not everyone wants to use a software alternative to a Model D or has the cash to pony up for an overpriced Moog reissue. Behringer has brought affordable clones to the bedroom artist for years in guitar amps. Why not synths? Good for them. I just don't think there will be a lot of interest, but maybe there is still. I can't see myself buying one. Got a few Mother 32's and they are fun enough, but definitely not my favorites of hardware I own.