Oh, and I'm also the mastermind and producer behind PMF, an unfamous (sic) rap posse that makes the dopest songs-as-gifts that no money has ever bought?
Greg
what are people doing with all their masterpieces? Ambition?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
So, am I the only person who does it because his girlfriend likes to get the occassional little ditty on a CD?
Oh, and I'm also the mastermind and producer behind PMF, an unfamous (sic) rap posse that makes the dopest songs-as-gifts that no money has ever bought?
Greg
Oh, and I'm also the mastermind and producer behind PMF, an unfamous (sic) rap posse that makes the dopest songs-as-gifts that no money has ever bought?
Greg
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 10241 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
what a question 
I find its interesting to see what so many of you are doing with your music and/or plans for it..
me? I'm (very) slowly building up a list of songs.. eventually the plan (at the moment) is to set out for an online outlet to sell them.. maybe online radio stations and the like.
I've considered 'major' labels but that would probably mean ridiculous agreements and live playing/touring which I'm frowing on..
Last century (:D) I had a few things.. like songs of the day at places and other interest.. but took a break for a while from releasing my songs, and I listened to my old music and realized I wasnt ready to persue it or make myself really known yet..
So to ring in what I think BONES was saying about his past, I think for me it was a similar experience in that now I cringe at my music that various firms and companies wanted/liked and can see how much I've improved over the years. The key for me is to never consider myself a final, finished product. That idea of a final set of skills seems to lead to laziness (or at the very least to put down the creativity 'tools') which leads to an aural equivilent of a tire rut.. so to speak of course.
I find its interesting to see what so many of you are doing with your music and/or plans for it..
me? I'm (very) slowly building up a list of songs.. eventually the plan (at the moment) is to set out for an online outlet to sell them.. maybe online radio stations and the like.
I've considered 'major' labels but that would probably mean ridiculous agreements and live playing/touring which I'm frowing on..
Last century (:D) I had a few things.. like songs of the day at places and other interest.. but took a break for a while from releasing my songs, and I listened to my old music and realized I wasnt ready to persue it or make myself really known yet..
So to ring in what I think BONES was saying about his past, I think for me it was a similar experience in that now I cringe at my music that various firms and companies wanted/liked and can see how much I've improved over the years. The key for me is to never consider myself a final, finished product. That idea of a final set of skills seems to lead to laziness (or at the very least to put down the creativity 'tools') which leads to an aural equivilent of a tire rut.. so to speak of course.
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- KVRAF
- 3846 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Underworld
First of all, I like to make music and fiddle with sounds. It's the only thing that can make me stop smoking, drinking or eating and gives me shivers, if it sounds good. Music can also makes me very emotional, if it sounds good [even cry a bit... 
]. I also like the whole mess around the production . I like to play it to the people and to spread my thoughts on different subjects 
... and I like it very dynamic. Very dynamic . Electronic industrial mixed with Gothic and Classical, that's my thing. Plans? I like gigs, actually, but when I make enough stuff, I'll put it on the web, then find some gigs and if it all goes well... who knows The most important is playing music in itself and the pleasure of being in command, being creative and productive. Cheers.
]. I also like the whole mess around the production . I like to play it to the people and to spread my thoughts on different subjects ... and I like it very dynamic. Very dynamic . Electronic industrial mixed with Gothic and Classical, that's my thing. Plans? I like gigs, actually, but when I make enough stuff, I'll put it on the web, then find some gigs and if it all goes well... who knows The most important is playing music in itself and the pleasure of being in command, being creative and productive. Cheers.It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 24 posts since 1 Dec, 2003 from Colchester, Essex
all really great replies, thankyou
I think that we are fortunate to be living now, when people can realistically become 'known' without the help of record labels, i.e. mp3 sites etc
and also the gradual move of the actual record buying market from teenagers to middle-agers - who have more dosh to spend, and do spend it
apparently record companies are now targeting those age groups, 25/30 onwards, as those are the group who actually spend and will keep buying products, and if they are targeting those groups it means they will be looking for artists who appeal to those groups
I get the impression that most people on here are not 16, and maybe most are over 30, and whereas in the past this would have made it difficult to be signed etc, if record labels are selling to 30/40 yr olds, then signing someone in this age-bracket will surely not be as unlikely as in the past
or am I just convincing myslef that at 33 I still have a chance of getting widespread distribution of my musings???
cheers again
Peter
I think that we are fortunate to be living now, when people can realistically become 'known' without the help of record labels, i.e. mp3 sites etc
and also the gradual move of the actual record buying market from teenagers to middle-agers - who have more dosh to spend, and do spend it
apparently record companies are now targeting those age groups, 25/30 onwards, as those are the group who actually spend and will keep buying products, and if they are targeting those groups it means they will be looking for artists who appeal to those groups
I get the impression that most people on here are not 16, and maybe most are over 30, and whereas in the past this would have made it difficult to be signed etc, if record labels are selling to 30/40 yr olds, then signing someone in this age-bracket will surely not be as unlikely as in the past
or am I just convincing myslef that at 33 I still have a chance of getting widespread distribution of my musings???
cheers again
Peter
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I guess I AM the only one making little ditties for his girlfriend. 
As for age... I'd wager to say that not some, but the MAJORITY of hit-makers right now are well above your age. Some of them may have gotten their start younger, mind.
I think that there are 2 factors in becoming famous, not that I'd know... 1) luck, or 2) persistence and sweat.
You have to be good to be lucky, but it doesn't hurt to have a bit of fate smile on you. On the other hand, persistence is harder than people imagine, and it involves more than persistently waiting, but persistently LOOKING for opportunities, and following up on any and all leads that come your way.
I sure don't have the energy for that!
Greg
As for age... I'd wager to say that not some, but the MAJORITY of hit-makers right now are well above your age.
Some of them may have gotten their start younger, mind.I think that there are 2 factors in becoming famous, not that I'd know... 1) luck, or 2) persistence and sweat.
You have to be good to be lucky, but it doesn't hurt to have a bit of fate smile on you. On the other hand, persistence is harder than people imagine, and it involves more than persistently waiting, but persistently LOOKING for opportunities, and following up on any and all leads that come your way.
I sure don't have the energy for that!
Greg
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- KVRian
- 1206 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Born, living and probably dying in Germany
Please tell me what I´ve to do ...PugFace wrote:I am earning too much money by other means
As I have finished my 1st CD some months ago and already have enough new stuff for another one, there are some interesting hints in this thread. Summarizing all these tell us that there are many different possibilities to sell his own music, only we have to TRY it.
Listen to some Monkey-Music-
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 24 posts since 1 Dec, 2003 from Colchester, Essex
plus, it helps if you are good looking!!!!!!!!!Lunch Money wrote: I think that there are 2 factors in becoming famous, not that I'd know... 1) luck, or 2) persistence and sweat.
You have to be good to be lucky, but it doesn't hurt to have a bit of fate smile on you. On the other hand, persistence is harder than people imagine, and it involves more than persistently waiting, but persistently LOOKING for opportunities, and following up on any and all leads that come your way.
I sure don't have the energy for that!
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
I once had... but the "fate smile" seems to have left out on me.Lunch Money wrote: I sure don't have the energy for that!
And well, all the infra structure (do you say so in english? All the environment we were dealing with, whatever... major deal, major producer, major recording studio, blah blah...) has been looking pretty great. Still, fortuna didn't like us.
Anyways, these days I'm halfway happy with what I'm doing. I still have to play shitty commercial gigs (maybe I don't have to - but for whatever reasons, I do), but it's getting less and now my main job is starting to be teaching young folks how to get rich and famous (haha!) - no seriously, I'm now working at some music university, being responsible for the MediaLab and some classes (mainly "music with computers" and some "preproduction for all" stuff), also being one of the three people caring about conceptional things regarding a new study department.
That way I can finally make use of my faible for computers while still being at least in contact with some fresh music (actually, I even do some music there).
As I am no singer/songwriter (well, at least I'm lousy at that...), this to me is not the worst scenario I could imagine.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- Banned
- 4073 posts since 15 Mar, 2004
Nope - I think you're spot on. 'Steven Tyler' says sopeteralston wrote:all really great replies, thankyou
I think that we are fortunate to be living now, when people can realistically become 'known' without the help of record labels, i.e. mp3 sites etc
and also the gradual move of the actual record buying market from teenagers to middle-agers - who have more dosh to spend, and do spend it
apparently record companies are now targeting those age groups, 25/30 onwards, as those are the group who actually spend and will keep buying products, and if they are targeting those groups it means they will be looking for artists who appeal to those groups
I get the impression that most people on here are not 16, and maybe most are over 30, and whereas in the past this would have made it difficult to be signed etc, if record labels are selling to 30/40 yr olds, then signing someone in this age-bracket will surely not be as unlikely as in the past
or am I just convincing myslef that at 33 I still have a chance of getting widespread distribution of my musings???
cheers again
Peter
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- KVRist
- 271 posts since 8 Aug, 2003
I had some interest from the Space for Music ambient label, but nothing happened for some reason. Quite a few people, including Shane Sanders (whom most of you know here) and Robert Rich, recomended against it anyways...
Today, there's really no need to ever contact a label, as it's quite easy for a musician to sell and promote their own music. Add forums (like KVR for example) to that, and they can find an audience relatively quickly...
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EW, JackR, Normal, and myself...
Today, there's really no need to ever contact a label, as it's quite easy for a musician to sell and promote their own music. Add forums (like KVR for example) to that, and they can find an audience relatively quickly...
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:: Disclaimer: Shameless plug ::
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BTW, watch out for JungleJar.com
EW, JackR, Normal, and myself...
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- KVRAF
- 1740 posts since 6 Jan, 2004 from USA
nice thread indeed!
for me (us) i'd say write a shitload of songs, pick the best 10 or so, get our asses in the studio, and then go from there.........
lates
t-willy
for me (us) i'd say write a shitload of songs, pick the best 10 or so, get our asses in the studio, and then go from there.........
lates
t-willy
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- KVRAF
- 2217 posts since 15 Jul, 2003
when my project folder start to fill up, I start to get serious about finishing up 15 or so projects and burning some CDs to distribute to a few friends.
my wife works up some art for the jewel case and after the ususal struggles with getting every project to sound as matched and perfect as possible, we make about a dozen or so and mail them out.
so there's a few minutes every 6 months or so where I can feel some accomplishment. Then I store off my project folder and clear it. And my CDs get played maybe once to be polite and that's it.
If I was doing this for praise, money or fame, it wouldn't get done. I go over to the downbeat selections on epitonic, give a listen or two and get inspired 'shoot, I could do as well' and set out trying.
my wife works up some art for the jewel case and after the ususal struggles with getting every project to sound as matched and perfect as possible, we make about a dozen or so and mail them out.
so there's a few minutes every 6 months or so where I can feel some accomplishment. Then I store off my project folder and clear it. And my CDs get played maybe once to be polite and that's it.
If I was doing this for praise, money or fame, it wouldn't get done. I go over to the downbeat selections on epitonic, give a listen or two and get inspired 'shoot, I could do as well' and set out trying.
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- KVRAF
- 9217 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from Pequot Lakes, MN
I had a couple nibbles in the late '80s/early '90s for an indie rock band I was in,but the band imploded.I became disillusioned with the whole music thing and quit for close to ten years.
I started putting my electronic stuff online for family and friends to get a chuckle over,and I was shocked to find that others actually liked it
As cloudspine said,there's no reason that you can't distribute yourself nowdays.I'll also echo his shameless plug
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PS-I still own the master tapes from the old band,and I'm working on them.Someday I'd like to see them get their time in the sun;there's some good material there
ew
I started putting my electronic stuff online for family and friends to get a chuckle over,and I was shocked to find that others actually liked it
As cloudspine said,there's no reason that you can't distribute yourself nowdays.I'll also echo his shameless plug
.PS-I still own the master tapes from the old band,and I'm working on them.Someday I'd like to see them get their time in the sun;there's some good material there
ew
A spectral heretic...
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
I had a very similar experience in more or less the same time period. I was pretty well dug in with the hardcore/sludgecore scene down in south Florida & played bass/guitar in a band called Floor that was more or less a sister group to Cavity. I used to do shows with Marylyn Manson & was a good friend of his till he crawled up Trent's ass.ew wrote:I had a couple nibbles in the late '80s/early '90s for an indie rock band I was in,but the band imploded.I became disillusioned with the whole music thing and quit for close to ten years.
ew
I got our band a deal with Earache records & was summarily kicked out of the band right before they signed with Bovine records instead (we did a split EP with the Melvin's producer) & they used all the songs I wrote, so I went on a self imposed exile lasting ten years that just ended last year.
Obviously my style has changed, & I'm slow learning all this synth/daw computer stuff, but I'm having a great time simply amusing myself & as a bonus it keeps me home & off the hard stuff
My wife is also a bass player from a hardcore background & I get a real kick out of playing a cheesy synth line & seeing her squirm with disgust.
I'm having fun, that's all I care about right now.