KVR Audio

malachy5 · Post by **malachy5** » Tue May 02, 2017 10:44 pm

Oh, they'll go further down hardware for sure, and why not, they are pretty good at it. Link has also been great. Building a musical ecosystem is their strong point. I think they might integrate more with NI Kontrol and NKS. Live and Komplete must be a common mix?

plopseaw · Post by **plopseaw** » Tue May 02, 2017 10:59 pm

I remember reading an interview with the founder of Ableton and his take was that Live was pretty much feature complete. What is open can be covered with Max.

The constant rounds of betas and fixing of obscure bugs fairly much point in this direction. Perhaps the plan is to keep the party going but behind the scenes there is no major update coming.

I also bought into the push experience, getting push 1 and then push 2.Push 2 works very well. The problem is that the rest of the DAW feels very dated now and I think the only core features they have added is to somehow keep up with Bigwig.

- by to days standards interface looks terrible. Esp on windows high dpi displays where its fuzzy and text hard to read
- Lives still restricted to mapping only eight parameters of a vst. That's all you can reliable use with push without a workaround. How push users live with this (one of the very reasons for having push and hands on control beats me)
- Browser is still slow even on latest i7
- working with anything but clips is terrible compared to other daws

I could go on but its a waste of time. My personal feeling is that the party at Ableton finished some time ago (probably at version

, just some people didn't notice and hope for more than a few extra sample packs and third party additions every three years.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 02, 2017 11:06 pm

plopseaw wrote:I remember reading an interview with the founder of Ableton and his take was that Live was pretty much feature complete. What is open can be covered with Max.

That is my impression... and of course it is their software and they are free to do as they wish. As is, it is an excellent tool and many people make creative music with it.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Wed May 03, 2017 1:21 am

plopseaw wrote: - Lives still restricted to mapping only eight parameters of a vst. That's all you can reliable use with push without a workaround. How push users live with this (one of the very reasons for having push and hands on control beats me)

???? I have push 2 here and I can access up to 128 parameters. You can either change how many parameters it "configures at once" or configure them yourself and save that as a default device.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Wed May 03, 2017 5:21 am

I don't have a clue, but I can tell you why I stopped using it (for anyone that gives a rats)

Audio. It's just f...king insane. MOST REMEDIAL AUDIO HANDLING EVER! And for me being a bass and guitar guy it was just too much. I waited two and half years for improvements. If there was an audio editor that integrated (and tried them all ) that would have been fine, but audio editing is prehistoric in live, and I couldn't handle it anymore.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed May 03, 2017 5:35 am

incubus wrote:I don't have a clue, but I can tell you why I stopped using it (for anyone that gives a rats)

Audio. It's just f...king insane. MOST REMEDIAL AUDIO HANDLING EVER! And for me being a bass and guitar guy it was just too much. I waited two and half years for improvements. If there was an audio editor that integrated (and tried them all ) that would have been fine, but audio editing is prehistoric in live, and I couldn't handle it anymore.

Prehistoric Audio editing - hahaha that is actually so true (and i am Ableton fan).

Ableton update is long expected.

There was a video year ago about people working in Ableton. It's on their youtube channel.
At one point you could see people working/looking at screen with unidentified version of DAW. Blurred. It was way darker.

MY guess was that it was Ableton 10 in development.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed May 03, 2017 5:40 am

Edit - it was here

Around 5:07

wow that was like two years ago

Subbase · Post by **Subbase** » Wed May 03, 2017 4:08 pm

would defo be nice to see some major updates to ableton,it seems it falling abit behind some of the Other major DAWS out there.

djscorb · Post by **djscorb** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:23 am

I would dearly like:

Nested groups

Group sends (would allow dragging entire sets into a project)

Group freeze

Max taster devices in standard edition (at least an lfo)

Customisable keyboard shortcuts. (Including reassignable spacebar!!!)

Customisable sidebar (let me delete /edit my own browser shortcuts and icons)

Loads more, but the above are most important to me

Cheers

Scorb

dented42ford · Post by **dented42ford** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:41 am

Some of the things I personally would love to see in Ableton 10, but will still use/buy the upgrade if not included:

Nested Groups
Freeze multiple tracks with one operation
Better plugin sorting (ie, arbirtrary grouping and disabling rather than relying on system layout)
Take comping of some sort (hell, even an option to "Loop to new track" could be very useful for this)
Sampler re-build with the new Simpler parts and interface
Vector layout for resolution scaling (a'la Bitwig - minor annoyance, but "slick")
Plugin sandboxing would be awesome, but I doubt it will happen
Longshot: Clip-based application of effects, in other words "true object oriented" like Samplitude

zeep · Post by **zeep** » Fri May 12, 2017 10:55 am

A normal (hierarchy explorer based) Browser. Not the current system that with that Indexing database shit.

musiclover55547 · Post by **musiclover55547** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:44 pm

pdxindy wrote:
SLiC wrote:Personally, I just switched to Bitwig, works for me and has everything I wanted Live 10 to have, but I have still kept my Live 9 suite licence....just in case!
I still have my Live 9 license too... and for sure have expected to upgrade to 10... but as time goes by, it has started to feel less sure. For quite few years I've wanted Ableton to focus more on the core application but it seems like they are not so interested in that area. Always more devices and lots of content and focus on Push integration (all of which can be useful and some of which I like) but not much on the core application and adding creative advancement in the Session View.

Bitwig is slowly, steadily rounding into shape and between Bitwig and Logic (as needed), Live may well be the odd one out.

One concept seals the deal in Ableton's favor: WARPing

Bitwig's Time Stretching is subpar. Back in the days when I used it, the developers / spokespeople all stated they saw no need for major improvements.

What sealed the deal, above and beyond, is the new pricing model, a la Steinberg with yearly upgrade fees. Both Ableton and Logic have been on the current release, with free upgrades, for over three years now. Monetize that.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:12 pm

musiclover55547 wrote:
One concept seals the deal in Ableton's favor: WARPing

Bitwig's Time Stretching is subpar. Back in the days when I used it, the developers / spokespeople all stated they saw no need for major improvements.

What sealed the deal, above and beyond, is the new pricing model, a la Steinberg with yearly upgrade fees. Both Ableton and Logic have been on the current release, with free upgrades, for over three years now. Monetize that.

Oh yes... Live has better warping and Bitwig's is not very good. No question about that. Fortunately for me, I hardly use time stretching so it is a non issue for me.

Yeah, there has been no additional cost for Live for more than 3 years (4 now?), but there has also been very little development of the core application either. If you are happy with Live as is, then that is a good thing cause you get some solid peripheral functionality and bug fixes free. For the people asking for stuff like nested groups, assignable key commands, group sends, etc... they might rather pay some money to get those features.

I switched away from Live because my impression was that Ableton finds the application kinda done (nothing wrong with that) and is not likely to add the stuff I wanted and Bitwig is going in the direction that interests me with MPE support and per note modulations as well as better editing, modulation and so on.

I have Logic to fill in the gaps of what I cannot do in Bitwig. Logic really is a no brainer deal. Live is the odd one out. It is good to have different choices to suit different peoples needs/interests.

lengro · Post by **lengro** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:21 pm

pdxindy wrote: I have Logic to fill in the gaps of what I cannot do in Bitwig. Logic really is a no brainer deal.

Could you please elaborate? I'm comparing the Bitwig demo with my Ableton Lite - should I also look at Logic?

pottering · Post by **pottering** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:11 pm

Andy Cytomic dropped a hint months ago in Gearslutz that he was working w/ Ableton to implement a system that deals w/ oversampling plugins in the DAW itself:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12173002-post2809.html

(I think it is a bit weird that neither that thread nor any Ableton-related forum caught fire w/ that comment. I mean, they discussed oversampling like 90 pages, Andy drops that info and gets almost no reaction. Well...)

Ableton Live 10 - what is it?