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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu May 04, 2017 11:43 pm

fedexnman wrote:I did say Nope , but I'd be interested in Reason Essentials if it doesn't get to restrictive with Track counts and VST counts etc etc ... To be honest I'd be fine if they made it totally barebones but with VST support.

As far as it was until now, there is no track count limit in Essentials. I'd be surprised if they introduced that with version 9.5. I might pick it up next week too, i think they have a sale then, not sure if Reason is included there too though.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Fri May 05, 2017 12:06 am

chk071 wrote:
fedexnman wrote:I did say Nope , but I'd be interested in Reason Essentials if it doesn't get to restrictive with Track counts and VST counts etc etc ... To be honest I'd be fine if they made it totally barebones but with VST support.
As far as it was until now, there is no track count limit in Essentials. I'd be surprised if they introduced that with version 9.5. I might pick it up next week too, i think they have a sale then, not sure if Reason is included there too though.

There is no track limit in Essentials (either native devices, RE, or VST). If you do pick it up, make sure you change your vote accordingly!

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Fri May 05, 2017 12:11 am

I have to admit it is at least a reason to pay attention to news about Reason.
Maybe something will come of it.

jjpscott01 · Post by **jjpscott01** » Fri May 05, 2017 1:13 am

I've always wanted Reason as my primary but due to a couple of "Must Haves" in the VST world I've always used it as a secondary along side Reaper, Studio One, or Protools. Needless to say, I can now produce, mix, and master the way I've always wanted inside my favorite software. I will absolutely be making Reason my primary going forward

sellyoursoul · Post by **sellyoursoul** » Fri May 05, 2017 2:39 am

Just as VST support was a must, which is the biggest reason why I dropped Reason, linux support is another must for me.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri May 05, 2017 2:46 am

sellyoursoul wrote:Just as VST support was a must, which is the biggest reason why I dropped Reason, linux support is another must for me.

Not to be mean, and, linux is very important for my work, but you are an outlier. It's very unlikely that will happen. Reaper and Bitwig are the only major DAWs (that didn't start as open source projects) to make much noise about linux.

sellyoursoul · Post by **sellyoursoul** » Fri May 05, 2017 4:03 am

ghettosynth wrote:
sellyoursoul wrote:Just as VST support was a must, which is the biggest reason why I dropped Reason, linux support is another must for me.
Not to be mean, and, linux is very important for my work, but you are an outlier. It's very unlikely that will happen. Reaper and Bitwig are the only major DAWs (that didn't start as open source projects) to make much noise about linux.

I agree that it is very unlikely to happen (or not for a long time), but just a few years ago I didn't think that I would see other commercial daws supporting linux either. But now there is Bitwig, Tracktion, and Reaper. U-he has also provided some linux support. And even Steinberg released the VST3 SDK under a dual license, including GPLv3. So why do you think that those other companies are providing support for linux? Is is because thousands of users are demanding it? Not likely. It must be something else...

Mystic · Post by **Mystic** » Fri May 05, 2017 7:14 am

Reason has never been my primary DAW and I left it back at 6.5.

I voted that I may consider it but not due to any feature they could add. More, I want to make sure this isn't a final attempt at cashing in on loyal Reason customers and hyping up so people buy into 9.5 before they close up shop. I also want to make sure the program is stable and has further development. They really need to work on Rewire as well.

I'm not overly concerned though. I've been planning on giving my copy of Reason to my kids to learn on so if it doesn't get updated to 9.5 and beyond, I won't shed a tear over it. It's a damn shame to see how Prop has treated the program over the years and I use to have a lot of fun working with it inside my DAW as a plugin but they have a lot of making up to do IMO before I give that company another dime.

KarmaShaman · Post by **KarmaShaman** » Fri May 05, 2017 7:38 am

I'm not voting, because the poll is flawed and poorly conceived.

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Fri May 05, 2017 3:24 pm

i did not join the poll... just my opinion on the subject... Reason has always been a great product... but also had/has a ton of short comings... the biggest problem Reason had/has are the fanboyz... i.e. the governor... lets look at MIDI-OUT... everyone and their mother wanted MIDI-OUT except for the fanboyz... according to the fanboyz not having MIDI-OUT was the beauty of Reason... it makes you think while making music... NO!!! i just wanted to hookup some hardware to work with Reason... well if you want MIDI-OUT here the work around... go down 3 lights, make a left, then right, go around the bend, then a left and another right and you have MIDI-OUT... having audio-in is also a great feature... but to a Reason fanboyz, not having audio is the beauty of Reason... but if you want audio... here is what you do... go down 3 lights, make a left, then right, go around the bend, then a left and another right and you have audio... same goes true with vst/i support... Reason does not need vst/i support because that is the beauty of Reason... but if you want vst/i support... here is what you do... go down 3 lights, make a left, then right, go around the bend, then a left and another right and you have vst/i support...

with this said... vst/i support, audio, midi-out were always features individuals wanted to make Reason an all in one DAW... we knew this at the beginning... but the fanboyz would fight you tooth and nail on how Reason's short comings were the beauty of Reason... vst/i support will take Reason to the next level... i am planning on upgrading to ver. 9 myself... will Reason ever replace Ableton Live (my main DAW)... HELL NO!!! but Reason has always been a great tool to use... i.e. fun... just hoping the Reason fanboyz can calm down now... most of us non-fanboyz are happy with the direction Reason is going...

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Fri May 05, 2017 3:40 pm

Changing DAWs is not like changing socks. At least it shouldn't be. :/ Those who are able to change DAWs "just like that" are either geniuses or never get anything done. Just IMHO.

It would have to be a really great host with really great features to make me switch from Reaper. Although I must say that if I had surplus money, I would invest in Cubase 8. I see Reason only as a "jotting tool" and always have.

Anyway, bringing VST back in Reason is definitely huge and I'm sure it will bring many clients back to Reason and "recruit" many new ones. It was a *huge mistake* on PH's part to throw VST support away and introduce their own plugin standard. Hopefully they learned a lesson and will let RE die off a slow and well deserved death.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Fri May 05, 2017 5:03 pm

neverenoughfunk wrote:... vst/i support will take Reason to the next level... i am planning on upgrading to ver. 9 myself... .

Awesome; thanks! Can you cast your vote for your particular category, then?

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Fri May 05, 2017 5:07 pm

DuX wrote:It was a *huge mistake* on PH's part to throw VST support away and introduce their own plugin standard.

Or, it was a *necessary step that needed to occur* in Reason's evolution first, before finally adding VST support. Judging from the responses I'm reading over at Reasontalk, the Rack Extensionists Facebook group, and my own experience - the deep integration and "native rack citizen" way that their own plugin standard blends into Reason is a pretty valuable tools for Reasoners. I certainly won't stop using them, even though I'll be using a metric shit ton of VST in Reason as well.

gas pump · Post by **gas pump** » Fri May 05, 2017 5:28 pm

Let's not forget that most plug-in developers are already releasing VST plug-ins, and having all the added costs to develop a Rack Extension might not be worth the time, energy and man hours.

Why would a developer choose to cross platform a plug-in to Rack Extensions and lose 35% of the revenue, when they can just release a VST and save a sh!t ton of resources?

Also a lot of the Rack Extensions were trying to fill missing gaps in Reason's catalog, this is not a problem anymore. The thing Rack Extensions might have going for them is the already heavy CV driven market, which a lot of people don't care about.

I think this drives a wedge between the two plug-in format developers and it's financially logical to skip Rack Extension development entirely, except for packaged and embedded plug-ins from Propellerhead.

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Fri May 05, 2017 7:28 pm

If the Cpu handling is fixed and updated i might use it.
Reason is only using 3Cores for instruments and effects on my I7.
The way that reason use the cpu now is 1Core for the graphics and other stuff and 3 for the above on a I7.
Hyper threading is not supported or used at all so that is much power lost from my I7 which make it a 3Core cpu instead of 4 cores + hyperthreading.

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Reason "VST" poll: For those who "left", how many of you will consider using Reason now?

For those who "left", how many of you will consider using Reason now?