Mike Oldfield using FL Studio.

[dougsyo]

The one thing i don't like about FruityLoops is this: http://www.jeskola.com <-- which i was told was registered by someone at Fruity. Oskari forgot to renew jeskola.com which was the old addy for Buzz. Fruity then supposedly came in and bought it and posted links to their site instead. Very nasty, please tell me it's not as bad as it looks. I've really disliked Fruity ever since that, mayhap it's not their doing though.

/Majken

As long as I've been around (not long, I admit), jeskola.net was Oskari's website. I don't know when jeskola.com was registered or what was behind it, although the whois data points to Image-Line (maybe they bought it from John Eskola?).

One possibility: There are some "professional issues" between the Image-Line and Oskari over the Buzz adapter he contracted to build for them. Among the outcomes of that mess are that his XS-1 doesn't play right in FLS, and Image-Line's in no hurry to fix it.

A side issue: the Fruity Soundfont player is based on the now-dead Livesynth code. I switched to sfz+.

Doug

[george]

As long as I've been around (not long, I admit), jeskola.net was Oskari's website. I don't know when jeskola.com was registered or what was behind it, although the whois data points to Image-Line (maybe they bought it from John Eskola?).

Image Line bought the domain to http://www.imillionaires.com/, the original owner after jeskola.com expiration. John Eskola is actually a (bad) joke of Jeskola link removal. Resuming all this, negotiations got screwed and it seems the issue is not gonna be sorted out

[Majken]

Situation with Oskari is quiet an exception. And considering his past history with Buzz community (the mystery of donations, the machine license, etc), maybe you are trying just a little too hard to pin your labels on Imageline.

I'm not trying to take Oskari's actions in defense. I just think it looks bad when a company is stealing traffic from a free piece of software. I can't see how it's justified because imageline did a bad deal with Oskari. It's their job to make sure they get a good deal before paying, which could be done through a proper contract. They should have made an announcement on what happened and explained why the buzz support isn't being improved instead of buying jeskola.com - It feels unprofessional and makes you question their motives and not just Oskari's.

/Majken

[Mirabebe]

Oskari did a pretty good job disassociating himself from anything Buzz.

Buzz itself, even prior to the incedent and to this day - can be easily located on the largest Buzz portal - buzzmachines.com , which has always been the number one place for all things Buzz.

Jeskola.net hasn't been updated in 2 years, as well as contains no links to any Buzz downloads.

In light of the above - i find it a very unlikely that any actions of Imageline affected the freeware you are so worried about.

It is also worth noting how you continue to vilify Imageline and how it's their duty to protect themselves from unfair dealings. Similar how it's rape victims duty to protect themselves from rape?

Your prior statements demonstrated that you had no knowledge of circumstances and your original (offtopic) post was actually a query for details.
But while lacking any information on the cicumstances - you didn't hesistate to offer your judgement.

I'll just leave it at that - i believe that no matter what evidence is provided, you stick to whatever your preconceptions are. I will no longer entertain you in this dialog.

[Majken]

Buzz itself, even prior to the incedent and to this day - can be easily located on the largest Buzz portal - buzzmachines.com , which has always been the number one place for all things Buzz.

Well... no, it used to be www.buzz2.com and www.buzztrack.com and jeskola.com was still an "active" page when it was bought. And if you run a search for "jeskola buzz" you will find that the 2nd hit is jeskola.com - Meaning anyone looking for buzz might possibly think that site is still somehow associated with buzz.

In light of the above - i find it a very unlikely that any actions of Imageline affected the freeware you are so worried about.

I'm not worried about the freeware. I just think what imageline did was very unnecessary and unprofessional. Earlier you said I was biased, well now... I wonder if it's not the other way around? Especially considering your profile weburl is www.loopyfruits.com

/Majken

[Mirabebe]

I used to own www.loopyfruits.com, but that was about 3 years ago. It long since expired. It was entertaining to me when i first registered it.

I make no secret of the fact that i am a long standing betatester for IL (since 99 or so). But thats where my association with IL ends.

I have to admit that this forced me to go back on my word of not posting about this anymore.

[smart]

Some people will find any excuse to hijack a thread

[JMC]

I just think what imageline did was very unnecessary and unprofessional.

We paid Oskari (what we call) a small fortune for the Buzz Wrappers.

The job he did quite honestly stunk. I can understand he didn't have the original source code anymore but then he shouldn't accept the job.

Matters turned worse when the buzz wrappers suddenly started BSODing when we started using FL as a VSTi/DXi client. He replied he deliberately built the crash into the wrappers (without telling us anything).

We politely asked him multiple times what could be done about the situation until he blew up the discussion with the words "he always found me stupid". Case closed.

When iMillionair offered us the Jeskola.com domain I didn't have to think twice and bought it assuming it would be a nice trade AND an additional $1000 (what we paid for the domain).

It didn't help at all but who cares (other than John Escola ? In the meanwhile there's SynthEdit and there soon will be SynthMaker and we can forget about Buzz.

Anyway. Just check out the about box and find out we have worked together with tons of developers and never had a problem with any of them (we still pay royalties to Richard Hoffman [who develops our biggest competitor] for WASP).

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

[JMC]

Some people will find any excuse to hijack a thread

Whatever keeps a thread about FL Studio on the front page. Sure is way less expensive AND more effective than a banneradd

See ya,

jmc

[dougsyo]

As long as I've been around (not long, I admit), jeskola.net was Oskari's website. I don't know when jeskola.com was registered or what was behind it, although the whois data points to Image-Line (maybe they bought it from John Eskola?).

Image Line bought the domain to http://www.imillionaires.com/, the original owner after jeskola.com expiration. John Eskola is actually a (bad) joke of Jeskola link removal. Resuming all this, negotiations got screwed and it seems the issue is not gonna be sorted out

Thanks for the clarification.

That reminds me, I need to download the newest Vertigo demo...

Doug

[tony tony chopper]

I'm sure that JM wouldn't buy anything if it needed as much time, money & lawyers to write a contract than to write the things you buy in the first place.

There was probably something like 'blah blah buzz adapters for FL' somewhere in the contract (if there was one), then what?

-those adapters were *crashing* FL used as a VSTi. Not even an error message, *crashing*. We spent weeks to figure out why they were crashing until he told it was a protection, because 'FL Studio VSTi' is NOT 'FL Studio', he argued.

-those adapters became unusable at the time I renamed 'Fruity.exe' to 'FL.exe', because they were checking the filename.

-those adapters are the poorest job IL ever paid (a fortune) for. They just suck, are completely unstable (he argues that it's more the buzz machines themselves that are unstable), and don't work with half of the buzz machines that need a special input anyway.

-I know JM more paid to 'attract' buzz users. Unfortunately the effect was totally opposite:
-dev of buzz machines felt screwed up by the big evil Image-Line for stealing their *cough* amazing and free machines to use in the crap FL Studio.
-buzz users felt screwed up because their secret amazingly powerful tracker wasn't a secret anymore.
-the big evil Image-Line was of course enhancing their crap FL Studio by a factor of 100 with the new addition of amazing buzz machines (of course, FL without buzz machines would be just another toy app, we all know this..)

-meanwhile (well, rather before), someone else had done buzz adapters, and we should rather have bought them from him.

-we like john eskola, then what

[jens]

seems to be a nice and honest fellow, this Oskari Tammelin

[haydxn]

hmmm yes this is very interesting stuff.

mike oldfield is great! i heard he was using logic before, i think he'd enjoy tracktion too!

[valley]

seems to be a nice and honest fellow, this Oskari Tammelin

There are better ways to do business, to be sure.

[george]

I got surprised about the price paid to imillionaries.com. You should have left the domain as it was when expired and took over.

In the meanwhile there's SynthEdit and there soon will be SynthMaker and we can forget about Buzz.

Buzz will never die New buzz related sites have born this year, and buzzmachines releases are frequent. (Ok, it will die, but not anytime soon).

those adapters are the poorest job IL ever paid (a fortune) for. They just suck, are completely unstable (he argues that it's more the buzz machines themselves that are unstable), and don't work with half of the buzz machines that need a special input anyway.

Criticism helps, but bashing no. Really. I'm also aware FL VST host still needs some extra finetunning, ask arguru for details