OP-X Sounds Better

[Kumi_27]

It doesn't change the fact, that all this post processing doesn't make an OB-X a synth capable of everything, and Wag used it just to illustrate the point.
Also, "real" Oberheim would be also postprocessed, as someone already pointed out.
You're nitpicking

[Elektronisch]

It doesn't change the fact, that all this post processing doesn't make an OB-X a synth capable of everything, and Wag used it just to illustrate the point.
You're nitpicking

No he used to get some attention and im not nitpicking, im stating fact. Because shelfing equing out half of the frequencies wount show you how good the sound is when it doesnt run thro various processors. Same also if you will apply saturation or compression.

As i said im not nitpicking, but you are obviously searching a reason just for a sake of argument

[exmatproton]

It doesn't change the fact, that all this post processing doesn't make an OB-X a synth capable of everything, and Wag used it just to illustrate the point.
Also, "real" Oberheim would be also postprocessed, as someone already pointed out.
You're nitpicking

There isn't any point in posting a 'song'. There is no referrence. No A-B. Pointless (and useless (imho), for that matter)

[Kumi_27]

Yes, of course.
But what is You're trying to point out? Because what he stated is true

sounding better than everything else that's come out since is a bit of a stretch. For one thing, it has a very limited sound pallet. There are tons of sounds that it simply can't make.

Is it wrong? I don't think so.

[Elektronisch]

Yes, of course.
But what is You're trying to point out? Because what he stated is true

sounding better than everything else that's come out since is a bit of a stretch. For one thing, it has a very limited sound pallet. There are tons of sounds that it simply can't make.

Is it wrong? I don't think so.

Exactly because you dont give a crap about anything dont take critisism and being arrogant and beyond others is the reason why you feel like being attacked (and later probably really getting attacked).

Where do you see written in such topics "post a song where you used this or another synth"? You see you put your music out of nowhere then you get critisism and you start raging how others are being dicks to you and how its theyr fault. Dont you realise that you who is actually being a dick to others and you ask this by yourself? Behave and treat others like you would want to be treaten by others and you wount get "attacked".

Ive stated my point above, please read again, wags song posts in topics are irrelevant of how good synth sounds. But as of right now you are going to different direction by pointing out something different and i really dont understand whats your point of all that at all?

[Ingonator]

Yes i am because this song is not related due to the fact that for a mixdown you still have to use post processing, like eq, reverbs, compression. Even with a trained ear you wouldnt be able to tell a difference between OPX or OBDX or in this case basicly any analog emulation. Other then that there are other sounds that are not comming from synthesizer like claps, tambourine ect and famous vocaloid screaming all over the track.

With adding an EQ or a bass boost plugin like e.g. Waves OneKnob Phatter i could also get a great low end for Arturia SEM V2 and Arturia Matrix-12 V2 and several other plugins. Matrix-12 V2 in terms of features is unmatched by any other Oberheim emulation anyway and the overall sound is great IMO.

A list of my favorite analog polysynth plugins:
- OB-XD (freeware)
- U-He Diva
- Roland Jupiter-8 plugin (Roland Cloud subscription)
- Synapse Audio The Legend in poly mode
- Tone2 Saurus 2 (no emulation but still great, especially with some external EQ and/or bass boost FX)
- Xils Lab Syn'X 2
- Xils Lab PolyKB III
- Arturia Prophet V3 (maybe soon replaced by U-He Repro-5...)
- Arturia Matrix-12 V2 (with additional external EQ and/or bass boost FX)
- Arturia Jup-8 V3 (with built-in EQ or additional external EQ and/or bass boost FX)
- Arturia SEM V2 (with additional external EQ and/or bass boost FX)


Of course i know that not all of those those are Oberheim emulations but the OP told that OP-X Pro II sounds betetr than all newer synth which means he does not only talk about Oberheim emulations.
FWIW Diva also got the nice "Uhbie" filter.

Some people are calling the use of a EQ "cheating" but i do not care about that...
Anyway some of the synths just mentioend already got a nice low end without adding any EQ.

Already got Repro-1 and now waiting for Repro-5...
FWWI with using the free Polymind Max 4 Live plugin in Live 9 Suite i was/am able to play Repro-1 polyphonic (in realtime...).

[Elektronisch]

Yes i am because this song is not related due to the fact that for a mixdown you still have to use post processing, like eq, reverbs, compression. Even with a trained ear you wouldnt be able to tell a difference between OPX or OBDX or in this case basicly any analog emulation. Other then that there are other sounds that are not comming from synthesizer like claps, tambourine ect and famous vocaloid screaming all over the track.

With adding an EQ or a bass boost plugin like e.g. Waves OneKnob Phatter i could also get a great low end for Arturia SEM V2 and Arturia Matrix-12 V2 and several other plugins. Matrix-12 V2 in terms of features is unmatched by any other Oberheim emulation anyway and the overall sound is great IMO.

Some people are calling the use of a EQ "cheating" but i do not care about that...
Anyway some of the synths just mentioend already got a nice low end without adding any EQ.


Already got Repro-1 and now waiting for Repro-5...

Its not cheating no argue in that. But pont here is in wags cases when he tries to point out how synth sounds he uses his songs wich is irrelivent and also it brings then critisism, wags is unhappy, then guy curses everyone at KVR

[Kumi_27]

Ive stated my point above, please read again, wags song posts in topics are irrelevant of how good synth sounds. But as of right now you are going to different direction by pointing out something different and i really dont understand whats your point of all that at all?

I already said - the point was "OP-X is not best of all and best for all", and said that the song was just an addition. Illustration. Maybe not best one, okay. Personally I don't like Wag's style of music, but I'm not the whole world.
You largely ignored that point and instead insisted, that the song was irrelevant.
If it was irrelevant, You could just ignore it and argue about the point.
Which is "OP-X Does Not Sounds Better Than Anything Else".
Because it doesn't and probably we can conclude the thread with this

[ghettosynth]

Yes, of course.
But what is You're trying to point out? Because what he stated is true

sounding better than everything else that's come out since is a bit of a stretch. For one thing, it has a very limited sound pallet. There are tons of sounds that it simply can't make.

Is it wrong? I don't think so.

It's not, and moreover, these arguments come up every once in a while and they're not based on anything of substance. Ten year old synth technology sounds like ten year old synth technology except where ten year old synth technology is indistinguishable from contemporary synth technology.

The OPX synths aren't comparable to current technology in the cases where current technology has made significant improvements, but what do you expect from someone who's proud enough of their Core 2 machine to put it in their signature.

And BTW: giving wags a hard time for posting his music because it isn't a comparison to something else is a bunch of bullshit as well. It's a forum, not a research paper. The OP's point doesn't even need to be acknowledged really, he's just wrong, like everyone else who tries to make this dumb argument.

The problem with trying to convince the person that makes that argument is that they are immune from anything resembling evidence in the first place. They simply can't hear the difference that is, for some of us, night and day.

So just let people post their music because anything else is really just a waste of time and has already been hashed over dozens if not hundreds of times before.

[Elektronisch]

Ive stated my point above, please read again, wags song posts in topics are irrelevant of how good synth sounds. But as of right now you are going to different direction by pointing out something different and i really dont understand whats your point of all that at all?

I already said - the point was "OP-X is not best of all and best for all", and said that the song was just an addition. Illustration. Maybe not best one, okay. Personally I don't like Wag's style of music, but I'm not the whole world.
You largely ignored that point and instead insisted, that the song was irrelevant.
If it was irrelevant, You could just ignore it and argue about the point.
Which is "OP-X Does Not Sounds Better Than Anything Else".
Because it doesn't and probably we can conclude the thread with this

I did not understud your point at all at first because my point was to point out why Wags gets attacked. And you start to point out something entirely different. Look my english is not native language, but i clearly replied and stated to the part part below, if you see some different meaning or point, its not my fault.

Except it goes way beyond that.

Vocals? Nobody likes Vocaloid vocals around here. I can't do anything about that. I can't sing. Period.

The tambourine? Fine, I go turn that down a couple of DB or EQ it some more and recompile. Takes 5 minutes.

Guess what?

The people here who despise the ground I walk in will find something else to rip apart.

That's why I don't give a crap about what these guys say because in their case, it's out of hatred and it will be never ending.

That's why none of this is worth anymore time than I've already given it which is way too much time.

[Kumi_27]

Look my english is not native language, [...], if you see some different meaning or point, its not my fault.

Same here. Probably something got a bit lost between three languages. So, peace

[Examigan]

It doesn't change the fact, that all this post processing doesn't make an OB-X a synth capable of everything, and Wag used it just to illustrate the point.
Also, "real" Oberheim would be also postprocessed, as someone already pointed out.
You're nitpicking

There isn't any point in posting a 'song'. There is no referrence. No A-B. Pointless (and useless (imho), for that matter)

I posted a song also, but you check out this A/B
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/ ... heim-ob-x/

[Kumi_27]

OP (pun unintended) stated:

Sonic Projects OP-X Pro II with a 10 year old synthesis engine still has better sounds than just about all the newer synths.

1. Oberheim is not newer than OP-X Pro II
2. The statement is not true, thus from this point any example, evidence or comparison, no matter how many letters are in it, is solely for entertainment here

[egbert101]

OP-X is still something I use. Until there is a better alternative from the likes of Urs or Richard, I don't see any reason not to use it.

And all those attacking Wags, you must be really jealous of his music.

[Ingonator]

As OP-X was originally based on an OB-X hardware synth the question is also if plugins based on other synths do sound "worse" or just "different". this is a major problem with most of the Synth X vs Synthh Y comparions.

Even if Peter at Sonicprojects reprogrammed a lot of patches fom different synths in his patches for OP-X/OP-X Pro II it does not mean that OP-X Pro II is also a proper emulation of all those.

For exampel with teh Jupiter 8 patches he invested a lot of time and work to get the patches sounding close and for several patches he even did seem to admit that he coudl not get them sound similar.
So what sounds like being a good emulation of a certain synth is mostly just hard work to get specific patches sound in a smilar way. A proper emulation is just another story.

Oposing to te Roland Jupiter-8 pluguin and Arturia Jupiter 8 which are quite close in terms of parameter ranges with the Jupiter 8 modules in Diva it is more difficult to properly reprogram certain Jupiter 8 presets due to teh differnt parameer ranges in Diva. Even if the Arturia Jupiter 8 i seem to be close you still need a lot of fine tuning to replicate certain patches of the Roland plugin or teh real hardware properly. FWIW i curently got all 3 Jupiter 8 based plugins and just talking about pure sound the Roland one seems to be best while there are still problems concerning CPU use and the GUI.

Concerning a Prophet 5 plugin Arturia Prophet V3 current seems to be the best option but i am looking forward to U-He Repro-5. Anyway even if the is would be the ultimate Prophet 5 emulation this does not mean it coudl also replace all other analog polysynth emulatons.
As the Prophet 5 "only" incuded a 24dB LPF it could not emualte plysynth that also include a BPF and/or HPF and also not one that also includes a 12dB LPF which usually sounds diffferent to a 24dB LPF too.
Not to forget that there are different basic types of LPFs like transistor ladder, diode ladder, sallen key, stae variable filter etc.
Not forget taht even filter of a similar type (e.g. transistor ladder) could still sound quite differenent...

To cover all of the existing filter sounds we would need something like Diva but with a bunch of additional more filter modules included.