FL Studio 12.9 Beta (inc. Time Signatures and macOS)

[robotmonkey]

Wow, some of the most spectacular display of fanboyism I have seen in whole day.

Of course FL Studio sucks at working with anything else than 4/4. It especially sucks when signature changes are needed. I just don't understand why some fanboys try claim that black is white, while just a cursory look at Cubase, Ableton, DP, Logic or any other DAW for that matter, just shows them wrong. Is it the case they have never used another DAW?

That's not true as AstroCastro already pointed out in detail. Before calling other member a fanboi you should at least be able to understand what he meant. To difficult for some obviously.

So you are saying that there's no difference between say Cubase or DP and FL Studio when it comes to working in multiple time signatures? Really?

[sjm]

Just ignore, it's not worth it.

[murnau]

So you are saying that there's no difference between say Cubase or DP and FL Studio when it comes to working in multiple time signatures? Really?

Nobody denied that fact not even AstroCastro (the one you called fanboi). I must assume you didn't understand what he had written (otherwise you wouldn't call him a fanboi). In reality all what he pointed out was easy comprehensible and towards jancivil who obviously anticipated that 3/4 waltz wasn't possible before.

[jonljacobi]

You can write in odd and multiple time signatures quite easily with any DAW by simply creating your own click tracks and markers (named patterns, whatever). I actually have a set of MIDI files I created decades ago that I can just import for various click patterns. In some ways that's far more versatile as most DAWs that have time signatures still don't deal well with dropped beats in triple meters which I use a lot. Fractional, mixed, irrational, and multiple signs are never supported. Also, if you're using fast tempos with eighth or sixteenth note values, the integrated click is usually way too busy and distracting.

However, having even basic signs integrated into the timeline can make a lot of stuff much quicker and easier to visualize, especially if you're composing linearly on the fly and the drummer needs a click, so I think it's a nice add.

[HSum]

So after some requests the developer updated a long existing feature in a cosmetical way and still the people are complaining about their subjective perception of this feature from previous versions? What a great time to be alive...

Thanks to image-line for the updates!

[melomood]

I have a lifetime of updates.It makes for a damn nice VST,so I'm grateful for any streamlining/updates
Thanks

[Image-Line]

So after some requests the developer updated a long existing feature in a cosmetical way and still the people are complaining about their subjective perception of this feature from previous versions? What a great time to be alive...

Thanks to image-line for the updates!

Music producers never had it so good. Just look what you can do on a phone these days:



...and while Alan Walker didn't make this track on FL Studio Mobile 3. That you can recreate it, shows someone soon, will start using their phone or tablet as their main DAW and churn out the hits.

Regards Scott

[Jace-BeOS]

I'm glad this has finally been done right. The special pleading and dismissals were really showcasing fanboy behavior we don't really need highlighted

I'm also excited to check out the Mac version. I presume it won't work on Snow Leopard, so I guess I'll be booting to El Capitan (which is an acceptable version for this, yes?).

We are only officially supporting maxOS 10.11 and up. Earlier versions have been reported to work however.

Interesting survey here for you:

FL Studio Mac User Survey

Regards Scott

Thanks for the info, Scott. I'm on Snow Leopard still because I'm on older machines which run far better with it and older software. I'm in poverty and Apple hasn't yet released a machine I want to spend my "computer nest egg" on. I'll get there eventually, either by being forced to compromise or by Apple finally putting out a machine I want to blow my one-time-only cash on (and then I'll fall behind again in a few years).

The survey info is interesting, but it tells me nothing about user motivation. Apple pushes new OS releases (rather successfully) and many users are on more recent machines than I am. Those statements are certainly supported by that collection of survey responses. I'm an outlier and I know it.

Cheers

[jancivil]

So you are saying that there's no difference between say Cubase or DP and FL Studio when it comes to working in multiple time signatures? Really?

Nobody denied that fact not even AstroCastro (the one you called fanboi). I must assume you didn't understand what he had written (otherwise you wouldn't call him a fanboi). In reality all what he pointed out was easy comprehensible and towards jancivil who obviously anticipated that 3/4 waltz wasn't possible before.

No, I didn't actually say it wasn't possible, it was totally possible, the point is that 3/4 means 3 quarter notes to a bar, which it may mean or not mean the way FL used to work. I wouldn't pull that out of my ass or guess, or 'anticipate' that something would be true.

I saw:
Where if you want to swing a value in a bar of 3 beats, it's 3 for the 'bar' factor and 3 for the 'beat' factor.
Because the 'beat' actually indicates the extent of 16th note divisions. Sorry, if one is used to using actual time signatures, this is weird.

[jancivil]

"No matter what DAW, you simply need to ignore main bars in playlist because not a single DAW will present polyrhythms correctly"
That's some very special pleading and a type of sophistry to make something which isn't normal seem as useful (even normative) as things which are. Sure, you can simply ignore bars and beats altogether and figure some way around it for that matter. "project" is in 4/4 and you're in 9/8. Rather than the actually simple matter of 9 meaning beats and 8 meaning 8th note duration for beats, FFS. That's what 'time signature' refers to, in the world. And that's the very limit of my interest in wasting time with you. They made it work normally, there is no point to this shit at all now.

What a laughing material you are.
Even after I posted screenshots that a global time signature existed in FL Studio since the day one, you keep talking like the only global time signature which existed in FL Studio was 4/4.

Your pathetic example of polyrhythms in DAW by using ONLY TWO NOTES in piano roll is hilariously stupid.
The same way your negative attitude is linear, your music is linear too.

That picture of 2 notes in piano roll as an example of polyrhythms in DAW's summarizes your entire knowledge about rhythms and your lack of sense for rhythm with which you were born.

You have no idea what you're talking about on any point here.

First of all, as to my screenshot, I showed only how Cubase can display 5:2 inside a bar of 3. The point is look at the timeline. I had a project open (there's only long tones there, again the point was what does Cubase do differently) and I decided to manipulate the Key Editor display to show that what you were saying is not true. So, like your inability to read pdfs to the extent you can report on them accurately at all, you haven't the wherewithal to understand a point here. See if you can look back and see what your point was I showed the problem with. Your assertion is flatly wrong.

My understanding of rhythm? Ask around.

So you're really revealing insane desperation to insult someone just because they didn't buy your account of things. Which, again, at all points is plainly wrong.

FLS, as I just revealed, takes took the 'beat' factor in the UI to mean how many 16ths. 'Bar' meant the number of beats and 'beats' meant the number of 16ths those indicate. You do not have screenshots that change this fact. The tute there demonstrates someone achieving swung values inside the 3 beats in a bar; to do this he goes to make the 'beats' there *3*. That's not a time signature, 3/3. Feel free to google it: Time_Signature if you're still unclear on it.

AND as I said, if it was there before, working normally with TIME SIGNATURES, why is there this post at KVR announcing that finally they have time signatures working in the thing.

And, note very well, that once we have to make swing, ie., triplets a function of a duple subdivision [16th note] all bets are off as to knowledge. It's not workable, it's not viable as a way to work with rhythm {EDIT: not a very good statement. What I mean is if one needs to conceptualize rhythm within the DAW, beyond the simple divisions, it breaks here. triplets are not a factor of a duple beat, and afaic that's bad for people if they ever want to get it.} What's the beat value now? No, as someone said above, there is a bug in someone's understanding of the basic term Time Signature (or they decided the Fruity Loops market has no need). Now it's been corrected. good job, sez I.

You're an

EDIT: I thought about this, how does the second three in that video actually function? I'm going by a consensus here that "beats" indicates the number of 16ths that are occupied by that. If it's three, it's a dotted eighth and the actual time signature is compound, 9/8. So the user may figure this out, or probably the user that doesn't care enough about this to have embraced the DAW which doesn't didn't care about this won't. Yeah, no, all the assertions that you can make anything work just like in a regular interface amounts to very special pleading.
What do you do now to indicate non-swung eighths? IE: 8 in the time of 9.
OTOH: I realized the other day Cubase will create things like triplet pentuplets. Did it by mistake.

For that matter, I made every tuplet through 19 (except redundancies, factors of number already included) happen in a program that would do only 4/4 and duple divisions. By a system of tying notes together. IE: if you want 5:4, create the opposite, 4 in the time of 5. THAT is just a technical trick.

[aumordia]

A lot of these whiners are just salty that their DAW doesn't have a soundgoodizer.

[jancivil]

and to turn me characterizing 'it's just a GUI issue' as 'dismissive' into me "interpreting", like I want that to be true doesn't work. "it's just _" is dismissive language. Time signatures are present in the vast majority of composed music that is written out. How do you imagine Le Sacre du Printemps happens without working it out in notation using time signatures? It's an ignorant view, I hate to have to point that out.

[Image-Line]

and to turn me characterizing 'it's just a GUI issue' as 'dismissive' into me "interpreting", like I want that to be true doesn't work. "it's just _" is dismissive language. Time signatures are present in the vast majority of composed music that is written out. How do you imagine Le Sacre du Printemps happens without working it out in notation using time signatures? It's an ignorant view, I hate to have to point that out.

Technically, time signatures are just a GUI implementation. There is a ruler, representing time, BPM is how quickly the ruler is scanned. On that ruler are the instructions to trigger events. Time signatures are what's printed on the ruler. The underlying events and their timing stays the same no matter what you print on that ruler.

Regards Scott

[Andrei Marchenko]

Hi, FL-heads!

Folks, could someone tell me please is it possible to Turn OFF re-trigger for LFO start point in Fruity Philter?

- Create one bar loop
- Put Fruity Philter on random track
- Automate CutOff with LFO
- LFO restarted everytime when loop is restarted

Thing that i want to achieve: Free LFO that none re-triggered when loop starts again.

[Image-Line]

Hi, FL-heads!

Folks, could someone tell me please is it possible to Turn OFF re-trigger for LFO start point in Fruity Philter?

- Create one bar loop
- Put Fruity Philter on random track
- Automate CutOff with LFO
- LFO restarted everytime when loop is restarted

Thing that i want to achieve: Free LFO that none re-triggered when loop starts again.

Lay that pattern down in the Playlist as it will be used in the final track. Problem should be solved.

FL Studio restarts everything when it loops in Loop Mode.

Regards Scott