Do samples kill the *real* electronic music?

[Spencer Maddox]

You people need to stop twiddling knobs and learn to play a real instrument like guitar, as do I.

...via the piano roll in FL

Fruity Slayer + Strum Tool FTW

[Russell Grand]

You people need to stop twiddling knobs and learn to play a real instrument like guitar, as do I.

...via the piano roll in FL

Fruity Slayer + Strum Tool FTW

[Krakatau]

You people need to stop twiddling knobs and learn to play a real instrument like guitar, as do I.

...via the piano roll in FL

Fruity Slayer + Strum Tool FTW

as you can see, dear old donkey...a bunch of totally hopeless cases !!!!

[lucidsamples]

Thank you for so many responses, it took me some time to read. Plus thanks for reminding me of Avalanches - love this song

Oh, and I totally forgot I'm on KVR Forum, sorry
So what I was thinking about is not the electronic music itself but its overall music productions level.

It is hard now to find something really good among ridiculous amounts of pieces that aren't even OK. And you have also pointed well that the problem is not in samples and software but in use (or rather misuse) of them.

I'm not trying to fix the world (as it would require using violence and forbidden massive extermination methods) but would like to ask people just to think before they post. Cause the main enemy here is the Internet and the abused opportunity to post your sheet everywhere.

And I love the good o' samples fro 90s, 80s and so on

But do we need to ignore this annoying trend and wake up someday overflown with bitterness and hatred, take sharp scissors and go to the city centre and cut off people's headphone cables?

[Krakatau]

Thank you for so many responses, it took me some time to read. Plus thanks for reminding me of Avalanches - love this song

Oh, and I totally forgot I'm on KVR Forum, sorry
So what I was thinking about is not the electronic music itself but its overall music productions level.

It is hard now to find something really good among ridiculous amounts of pieces that aren't even OK. And you have also pointed well that the problem is not in samples and software but in use (or rather misuse) of them.

I'm not trying to fix the world (as it would require using violence and forbidden massive extermination methods) but would like to ask people just to think before they post. Cause the main enemy here is the Internet and the abused opportunity to post your sheet everywhere.

And I love the good o' samples fro 90s, 80s and so on

But do we need to ignore this annoying trend and wake up someday overflown with bitterness and hatred, take sharp scissors and go to the city centre and cut off people's headphone cables?

you're too kind, dear



,,,currently electronic music has turned so ambiguous knowing for instance we might build an entire symphony using sounds library exclusively into a DAW ...and in a near future using almost exclusively physical modeling rather than samples

this stays electronic music strictu senso

[Lotuzia]

Samples are part of the more global sonic arsenal, since decades. Use them in a creative way, or less, or not at all, it's entirely up to you.

/thread

[donkey tugger]

You people need to stop twiddling knobs and learn to play a real instrument like guitar, as do I.

...via the piano roll in FL

Fruity Slayer + Strum Tool FTW

as you can see, dear old donkey...a bunch of totally hopeless cases !!!!

Egads, I forgot about 'Slayer'. File that one under.........errr, try again lads...

[Krakatau]

well i'd say it's so dead easy to use it in a creative way...for instance using Logic you'd just need to combine two features instantly

for instance the included pitch correction with any monophonic signal or assimilate in your loop/one shot samp ...then the transposition function of Apple loops

I had totally unexpected result on for instance the Cuica loops of Logic's factory library,

no more no less ...but in less than 10 minutes ..in such peculiar case, at the second you're aware that you don't need to apply pitch correction exclusively on human voice there's is instantaneously an entire uncharted territory that is opening in front of you !

[Enkerli]

But do we need to ignore this annoying trend and wake up someday overflown with bitterness and hatred, take sharp scissors and go to the city centre and cut off people's headphone cables?

No need to resort to such drastic measures. As they say, you can’t change others’ behaviour but you can change your response to it.
Besides, you know about wireless headphones, right?

[Krakatau]

Besides, you know about wireless headphones, right?

for some it means your only memory with no headphones at all
...but trust my experience, this could turn sour into your mind !

[sjm]

You people need to stop twiddling knobs and learn to play a real instrument like guitar, as do I.

...via the piano roll in FL

I've got a plastic midi guitar now, so could play the sinthesiser if I wanted. Would have to be indoors with the lights off and at low volume though.

I guess the definition of "real instrument" has shifted along with the definition of "real" electronic music

Thank god I'm into fake electro made with real fake Fenders I bought from this nice Nigerian prince who emailed me out of the blue.

[DSmolken]

Ha, that reminds me of this double-fake bass of mine. Samples of a bass guitar with fake Louis Vuitton monogram fabric glued to it. http://www.karoryfer.com/karoryfer-samp ... a/swagbass

[jancivil]

Cause the main enemy here is the Internet and the abused opportunity to post your sheet everywhere.

Well, fortunately this rather vapid thread title brought thoughtful replies, surprisingly enough (for me anyway). I would argue that reading shite journalism and parroting its thought-free tropes is kind of an enemy, if 'the internet' be one.
You forgot this was KVR didya? Huh. I just found out you're a moderator. Guess how.

Give 'em an inch and they think they're a ruler

[soundbylaura]

Few days ago I've read on Magnetic Mag blog, an article by David Ireland.

The thing is that I am not mad or something. It's this moment when you realize that you stand before something that you can't change. I really like using samples. Not only because I'm selling them. They are very useful tools and make my everyday music life easier.

Now there is this large group of people who just buy them to instantly become Deadmau5 or other star. You can't say "don't buy samples" to them and on the other hand if you post everyday production tips and tutorials and try to help them learn new things, they just refuse to listen.

Nowadays Internet is full of mediocre or worse songs and if you try to find a good one it is like you would listen to one track all over again for few hours and suddenly find 3 minutes of something interesting.

Is music production *that* easy now? Did what we've been repeating about easiness of music making come true?

I thought writing a reply post about samples in music production would help my deal with the problem and get back to work but I guess it necessary for me to hear out more of your voices.
Can you help me? I know there are more sample packs creators out there on KVR. What do you say?

Keep making samples. Keep doing what you love. Make music any damn way you want to. Use samples. Use a computer. Or go into a forest and hit one stick with another stick and don't use any kind of recording device which after all is a computer. Don't gatekeep others, and don't let others gatekeep you.

It's a good thing that making music is more accessible to more people. Music is for everyone. Music is for EVERYONE.

/soapbox

[jancivil]

'would help me deal with the problem'. There is no problem, why fabricate one?
Yeah, people do some real crap today who couldn't make a track by their own hands to save their life. Whose problem is that? Don't be that guy, simple.
There are other things to seek out at teh youtubes, you know.