Dmitry Sches' Thorn VI

[EnochLight]

keyboard warrior pussy

Are you stupid?

[BONES]

I'm sure everyone would be like if every synth would behave like that. For me, it's quite an issue for some sounds. Basically, it means that i wouldn't touch Thorn for sounds in the lower registers, because they sound muffled, as your example shows very well.

What my example shows is that Thorn can easily be programmed to sound massive in the lower registers, with as much grit and fuzz as you want. In fact, I think it's strongest when it comes to basslines because the bottom end is huge. If you can't hear that in both the sample .wav's, then you clearly don't have the first clue about what you are doing.

Thorn is a good sounding synth, don't get me wrong, but, it's limited for sounds in the upper frequency registers for me.

OK, so you really are stupid because the the thing the first example shows is how comparatively weak Thorn is in the upper registers. Did you even bother to listen to it? To be fair, it's easy to work around those limitations but I think DUNE, for example, will always sound brighter and fuller when playing higher notes than Thorn, whereas I think Thorn has a very slight advantage when it comes to bass pads and basslines. Thorn has some nice trebly presets but it really shines with the big bottom-end pads, leads and bass sounds.

For me, DUNE 2-3 is the gold standard when it comes to sound quality. Look no further than the first demo .wav - load it into an audio editor and you'll see that the DUNE notes are perfect, where each of the other synths shows some DC offset and other anomalies. Of course, that doesn't make DUNE 2-3 necessarily better - those wonky bits are the sorts of thing that give synths their own character and Thorn is dripping with its own character. For technical brilliance, DUNE is without peer in my book but I find it a little too clinical, and much harder to work with, so I hardly ever use it (but my bandmate uses it all the time so it ends up in most of our songs).

[BONES]

It's a restriction of the synth. See the explanation here: viewtopic.php?p=6900512#p6900512

You keep banging on about a single post in an 82 page discussion, one that is well explored and explained in later posts, like this one -

I'm not sure I see this as a limitation, more rather a flavor. Diversion already gives you full spectrum saw tooth (just like spire). So it's reasonable to think that Dmitry doesn't necessarily wana give you the same thing again. Besides, such low harmonic content is easier to mix in with the highs without further EQing, specially when doing base.

And this one -

Regardless of the frame position you will always get up to 128 harmonics. This gives you a full spectrum for tones starting at 156.25 Hz (20000 Hz / 128 = 156.25 Hz). This is around D#3 in musical terms.

One idea to get around this for bass tones might be to make use of the drive and distortion modules to enhance the spectrum. From what I have read in the thread so far the distortion seems to be of very good quality.

Read them and try to understand what these guys are telling you. I'll try to make it clearer. As soon as you start to close the filter, by moving the cutoff away from maximum, you start to lose those high harmonics anyway, so unless you are working with a high-pass filter or a low/band pass filter fully open, which you aren't normally going to do with a bass sound, the first thing you do is to get rid of the high harmonics because they get in the way of other elements in your mix. Thorn simply takes care of that for you, to a degree, but you'll still want to close your filter up to fit it into your mix most of the time. Yes, there are exceptions, times when you want that raw sawtooth sound in a deep pad, but on those rare occasions you just use something else, as you use different synths for different things all the time. Interestingly, when I want that raw sawtooth sound, I tend to go for sampled instruments like Equator or Substance. I assume they cheat it somehow but they do a better job of that than any of the analogue hardware synths I own.

[Dasheesh]

this thread is the worst thing i've seen lately and i honestly just want to pull my hair out. where to start?

1: f**k what you see.

2: forget what you know.

3: everyone has an agenda.

4: there is no such thing as perfection, only an algorithm.

[digitalboytn]

Thorn seems like a good synth,but it sucks way too much CPU

EDIT : 2020-04-01

This is one if the best synths on the planet

[BONES]

Compared to what? It uses a little more CPU than some of my other synths but way less than a lot of them. e.g. I just ran through a bunch of bass presets on some of my synths and compared them to Thorn. It was just a quick test but it showed Vac Pro using 1-2%, Go2 using 2-3%, DUNE 3 and Equator using 4-6%, Massive using 5-7%, Thorn using 6-7%, Substance (Kontakt) using 8-12%, TRK-01 (Reaktor) using 15-20% and Korg's ARP Odyssey doing anything from 15% to 49%. That puts Thorn squarely in the middle of the bunch, and quite low down on the overall range (1% right up to 49%). And if you look in my signature, you'll see my set-up is very puny compared to what most people think they need to make music.

[Dasheesh]

being that they are additive spectral oscillators and there is a spectral filter behind it and then two subtractive filters behind that and there is a high and low cpu setting... i don't understand any of this.

[Stokely]

Just took the Thorn CM for a whirl yesterday after getting the most recent copy of Computer Music magazine. Sounded nice IMO, as did Bazille cm and Dune cm. Not sure what to think about Poly KB II cm though It certainly had "character"....

[Igro]

Wasn't the area around 5-6Khz problematic anyway? Maybe it is good thing. Anyway, there are not that many synths with such jucy filters and fiter drives. My headpones a literally shaking on my head.

[Dasheesh]

there is a reason he called it the THORN. the thing is filthy, and i'm totally infatuated with it. i envision her as a purple haired sweaty goth chick in leather.

[BONES]

Yeah, it really is something special, isn't it? Reading these idiots trying to dissect it and carry on reveals their complete lack of understanding of what actually matters.

[digitalboytn]

I envision her as a purple haired sweaty goth chick in leather.

With smelly armpits

Continue this sentence using three words

[ATN69]

In my arsenal Thorn is the unrivaled bass synth. I use it for other sounds as well but it really shine when it comes to bass sounds.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

In my arsenal Thorn is the unrivaled bass synth. I use it for other sounds as well but it really shine when it comes to bass sounds.

Currently only have the CM version, but I love it for it's plucks

[toonertik]

Yeah, it really is something special, isn't it? Reading these idiots trying to dissect it and carry on reveals their complete lack of understanding of what actually matters.

Oh nooo... please be no...
please be NOOOOOO!!!
BUT alas.. It is not so>>>
I agree with the old GRRRRRRRRR>>> Bones on this.
Now I know you don't like my presets...
BUT this is just one instance of the amazing Thorn.. yup, all you hear comes from this lonely Thorn )))
https://soundcloud.com/toonertik/osc105 ... aralexpmnt