Modern Produzahs - degeneration of everything human?
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- KVRAF
- 11950 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Someplace else
Musical Golgafrinchans are the future. Then again, so is entropy.
“The Generals sat, and the lines on the map, moved from side to side.”
― Pink Floyd
― Pink Floyd
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- addled muppet weed
- 111301 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
ibtl...
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- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
I bet your score on a WAIS test is below the 25% percentile.dtrq wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:07 pm I bet OP is also deeply concerned about fate of the white race.
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- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
Yeah. If the kit loopers cannot win the discussion with their “shit happens” fatalism and spineless “there wil be an answer - let it be” solutions , they can always try to get the thread locked by pulling poo out their ass.
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- 2288 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada
Did we just have a thread like this? I can't remember. I feel like I posted this already, but here goes.
I once got a cool book in a used record store and it was my bible.
It's great. It covers Todd Rundgren, Richard Perry, Mike Chapman and a slew of others. Its a fun read. And it's great if you are an old guy who likes buying re-mastered catalog re-releases of records made 30 or 40 years ago. It's a historical document and artifact of the music industry and the "record producer" as that role once existed once upon a time in the hey day of LP sales. The role was either an engineer/manager or artist/manager who would go into the studio with the artist and assist them , ( for a fee) in creating that great record.
That role does not exist anymore just like the old music industry doesn't exist anymore. It is an extinct role. Some of the very people in that book who were producers openly admit that they do not work or make money and are not "in the music industry". They make their living from the live performance industry and are live performers. Some are happy as a clam because back in the mid 80s when they were doing shows where barely 50 people showed up, they thought their careers were over and they would never play to larger audiences again.
My point is, the term "the producer" in the modern era is exactly that the word states it is. It is someone who "produces music" to be listened to. Maybe they produce it on a laptop on a train. Maybe they produce it in a basement studio. Maybe they produce it on an iPhone. But the bottom line. They produce something that "is music" to someone else.
The archaic idea that they need to have lots of experience and formal training is not really set in stone. They just need to be in tune with that their audience likes to listen to.
Some of you should read up on hip-hop artist Lil Wayne and how he was created. While the rest of the big shot "know so well what we are doing" music industry pros were making what I can politely describe as "drivel", Lil Wayne and a few collaborators were making their odd ball brand of hip-hop in someone's mother's kitchen -- and they were one of the drivers of a creative musical marketing powerhouse that became so powerful that it pulled the rug out from under the establishment. They did it because they were more in tune with modern audiences than the music "experts" were.
I once got a cool book in a used record store and it was my bible.
It's great. It covers Todd Rundgren, Richard Perry, Mike Chapman and a slew of others. Its a fun read. And it's great if you are an old guy who likes buying re-mastered catalog re-releases of records made 30 or 40 years ago. It's a historical document and artifact of the music industry and the "record producer" as that role once existed once upon a time in the hey day of LP sales. The role was either an engineer/manager or artist/manager who would go into the studio with the artist and assist them , ( for a fee) in creating that great record.
That role does not exist anymore just like the old music industry doesn't exist anymore. It is an extinct role. Some of the very people in that book who were producers openly admit that they do not work or make money and are not "in the music industry". They make their living from the live performance industry and are live performers. Some are happy as a clam because back in the mid 80s when they were doing shows where barely 50 people showed up, they thought their careers were over and they would never play to larger audiences again.
My point is, the term "the producer" in the modern era is exactly that the word states it is. It is someone who "produces music" to be listened to. Maybe they produce it on a laptop on a train. Maybe they produce it in a basement studio. Maybe they produce it on an iPhone. But the bottom line. They produce something that "is music" to someone else.
The archaic idea that they need to have lots of experience and formal training is not really set in stone. They just need to be in tune with that their audience likes to listen to.
Some of you should read up on hip-hop artist Lil Wayne and how he was created. While the rest of the big shot "know so well what we are doing" music industry pros were making what I can politely describe as "drivel", Lil Wayne and a few collaborators were making their odd ball brand of hip-hop in someone's mother's kitchen -- and they were one of the drivers of a creative musical marketing powerhouse that became so powerful that it pulled the rug out from under the establishment. They did it because they were more in tune with modern audiences than the music "experts" were.
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Well this is were we differ then. I hardly think that organising loops applies to anything related to "producing" music, but rather to "reconstruct" it. It hardly touches having a creative idea and the skills to work it out yourself. Loopers are completely dependent on what is already at hand. Thus, they are not producers but "produzahs" as chosen in the thread title.telecode wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:35 pm
My point is, the term "the producer" in the modern era is exactly that the word states it is. It is someone who "produces music" to be listened to.
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- 2288 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada
I call bull. My older kid plays piano and is at level 4 or 5, I can't remember, but he can technically play a lot more advanced classical pieces then what I thinker with on keys. He also produces chillstep using FL Studio. He uses loops and sample packs . I don't question him why he doesn't use his obvious ability to play piano to his advantage to make his music in FL studio. He does what he does and it's his music . His ability to play music and an instrument is separate as distinct from what he does on FL studio and shares on dischord with other chillstep fans his age.IncarnateX wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:57 pmWell this is were we differ then. I hardly think that organising loops apply to anything related to "producing" music, but rather to "reconstruct" it. It hardly touches having a creative idea and the skills to work it out yourself. Loopers are completely dependent on what is already at hand. Thus, they are not producers but "produzahs" as chosen in the thread title.telecode wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:35 pm
My point is, the term "the producer" in the modern era is exactly that the word states it is. It is someone who "produces music" to be listened to.
He is a produzah who produces music other chillstep fans his age like to listen to.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35476 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
this thread reads like its straight from a 'troll thread construction kit'
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
Call whoever you like of your friends to support you but if that sweet little anecdote was supposed to change my mind, it just failed bigtime.Lullabies and bed time stories are not going to cut it.