For Steinberg, any future product and update release, Windows below 10 is 'dead'

[Freaqpeak]

Those of you quoting
Win7 user stats. Look at the stats in 2020, all organisations around the globe are migrating their last assets to Win10 atm.. Home users doesnt know or care.
most ppl would just upgrade if they knew how
to do it and doing it without any upgrade costs.

[BBFG#]

I'll repeat again...

I'll update my computer to Windows 10 just as soon as Roland and Korg update the necessary hardware drivers I need to have W10 recognize them.

[Freaqpeak]

I'll repeat again...

I'll update my computer to Windows 10 just as soon as Roland and Korg update the necessary hardware drivers I need to have W10 recognize them.

For what machines?
If it hasnt happened so far, it wont happen probably. Win10 was released 29 of july 2015(!).. 4 years ago. Devs have had it longer than so.
If you let very old computer attached hardware dictate what OS you run... I would still be on Win98 with old Nord modular.. . Thats the bitter truth about computer hardware/drivers. Always have, always will. Most endconsumer hardware manufacturors have a 6 month product cycle.. after that forget about any updates at all. Its shitty, but in reality they wanna sell their latest crap...

[chk071]

Win7 will die in a few months and there is nothing to do about it. To anyone who expects a mainstream 3rd party company to support a dead OS... hm yeah. No.

A big problem for those still running Windows 7 then will also be driver support. Even newer audio plugins might depend on up to date graphics drivers, for example. And, if you can't get those anymore, well... bummer.

[ramseysounds]

I'll update my computer to Windows 10 just as soon as Roland and Korg update the necessary hardware drivers I need to have W10 recognize them.

I run W10 and Korg Monopoly, MS20 and Polysix run glitch free

[chk071]

I assume that BBFG# is running Korg and Roland hardware products.

[ramseysounds]

Ah. Fair enough

[Benutzername]

I don't see a massive problem there. The old Win7 installation with the abandoned drivers will still continue to work fine in the abandoned operating system (as long as it's not connected to the internet).

Just don't expect modern software to run on this system as well. Old hardware uses old software and new hardware uses new software. Everything else is a bonus.

[DuX]

Well, I actually don't see it as a big problem because people still use all kinds of versions of Cubase and find them perfectly acceptable. Just stay with the Cubendo version you like, is more stable, or whatever reason, and stop giving Steinberg more money for upgrades. I *personally think* v8.5 to be the best anyway. However, I am a faithful Reaper user and I don't have to worry about what OS I should run because some company says so.

I also own a good amount of old hardware which is not supported in W10, so I'm going to use W7 for audio until the new PC hardware stops getting support for it. Hell, I could even buy second hand PC then, just to keep my hardware working. It really doesn't matter. Just make music.

[Passing Bye]

Win7 will die in a few months and there is nothing to do about it.

7 will have more after life than XP, it's solid OS that plenty of people dig, it's gonna be used for long.

[chk071]

7 will have more after life than XP

Doubt it.

[DuX]

I know people who still use XP for *making music* with older hardware [PC, MIDI interfaces, SCSI, Samplers...] and usually use an older version of Cubase or Reaper. Plenty of people I know use W7. One uses W10. I think it's really just about what you need for making music with the equipment you have. It's not about having the latest and greatest. It's about what works in your case. I love my Kurzweil K2000 and Yamaha, Akai samplers. How old are they? Does it matter?

I do agree with one thing: if you access the internet a lot from your work computer it is probably a better idea to use the latest OS, no matter which one, MacOS, Windows, Linux. For making music it doesn't matter what OS you use, but usually the older OSes work better performance wise. Anyway, people should be aware of these things.

[Psuper]

I know people who still use XP for *making music* with older hardware [PC, MIDI interfaces, SCSI, Samplers...] and usually use an older version of Cubase or Reaper. Plenty of people I know use W7. One uses W10. I think it's really just about what you need for making music with the equipment you have. It's not about having the latest and greatest. It's about what works in your case. I love my Kurzweil K2000 and Yamaha, Akai samplers. How old are they? Does it matter?

I do agree with one thing: if you access the internet a lot from your work computer it is probably a better idea to use the latest OS, no matter which one, MacOS, Windows, Linux. For making music it doesn't matter what OS you use, but usually the older OSes work better performance wise. Anyway, people should be aware of these things.

Mostly right -- "if you access the internet a lot from your work computer it is probably a better idea to use the most secure browser and email client with common sense strategies, unless you or your IT guy genuinely knows how to lock the OS down. And even then... the apps and strategy still applies."

[mrdoghead]

I've downgraded my two win10 to win7. Too much waste of time tweeking win10 and affected software after updates.
Lack of support to earlier windows isn't a problem. If, and that's a BIG if, there's a non solvable problem i just reinstall using a backup image.
PS. I hope you are aware of the fact that all these security updates, the treath isn't as severe as they make them to be. At least for those of you that aren't computer illiterate. They don't tell you that most of the attacks need either that you open an email attachment or that they have physical access to your pc. To get infected on a website only means you're stupid.
PPS. 20190828. It seems one of the Windows 10 major upgrades has made sure that Windows 10 re-enables the wuauserv service on its own, even if the service has been set to disable, even by the administrator. That’s the key here. Windows 10 uses Admin credentials to make sure it can re-enable Windows Update everytime it is in a disabled state. That means you have to mess with windows services and windows registry to disable, not pospone, updates.
Ordinary pc users would probably hesitate to do that because of the risk of breaking something and get the blue screen of death.

No. There are many kinds of security updates. The way you imagine you understand them, without understanding them, suggests your computers are already possessed.

Which means your backup images are possessed as well - and you get to restore by the grace of someone you do not know.

The people most often PWNed, other than senior citizens, are programmers and other wise guys who fancy themselves "computer literate" who figure no one would bother to hack a regular, well-intentioned wise guy.

Automated malware does not distinguish much between the literate rubes and the other ones, for the record, and you don't need to click a thing or to go to a phony site to run into trouble.

Downgrading Windows (or any OS, absent reasons that are always particular to a narrow set of circumstances) is just a really bad idea - and all computers subjected to such treatment (to keep locally vital but outdated software running, for example) should be stripped of ports and radios that might allow internet access. And still, they sometimes wind up hacked because someone connects a disk or stick - or via the power line.

Of course, current, patched machines and systems get owned as well. It's just so much easier when people don't patch stuff that governments allow to be patched - because then any teenager can use your best downgraded production machine as a porn hub. You want FBI contractors watching porn on your machines - not every Russian kid who couldn't get a date this weekend.

As for Steinberg, they should test as many OS instances as they can and post what works. They don't need to support these older systems, but they should make them work, if at all possible - to keep the silly people happy and to help people who cannot update, for whatever reason.

[BBFG#]

That level of paranoia should probably seek therapy (with a prescription for medication a possibility.)