Unorthedox Guitar Stuff

[tee boy]

Har,
Thanks for the advice mate, much appreciated! Iv been doing soundscape type stuff for a while now - experimentation with different sound sources and processing has obviously been a big part of that. Iv always found that live sources have so much more complexity that those synthesised, so i tend to use anything and everything i can get my hands on audiowise. It might seem suprising then that its taken til now for me to reach for the guitar. I have no idea why, but i never considered the guitar suitable for this kinda thing - always found the attack phase too prominent, especially when using delays. Guess this is where your pedal bowing technique comes into play

What are your thoughts on the new Electro Harmonix EH16? I hear this box is to be reissued soon, but Im unsure whether its really worth the high asking price. Used one before, and it is cool but just SOOO expensive. How would you say the Echoplex EDP fair in comparison?

Anyways, thanks again!

PS. I donate very rarely as it happens, something of often feel very guilty over. The stuff from SmartElectronix is so amazing, its seems criminal to get it for free! Think i shall have to put hand in pocket for these guys at some point.

[MacButch]

I don't think any one mentioned this: dry ice can do all sorts of amazing things. For some reason dry ice held against the metal on your guitar (bridge or tuners works well as they have more mass) will vibrate as it melts (sublimes, in fact) of course once the metal on your guitar gets cold then the dry ice won't 'melt' so fast.

The other trick with guitars and dry ice is to scrap up and down the strings using the dry ice. This can work quite well if done slowly (different from pick scrape but similar, I guess)

Record the results clean or with distortion (though I prefer clean I think) and then slow it down in cooledit or a sampler (cooledit lets you slow it down without changing the pitch) you can get some amazing soundscapes with a nice reverb.

This works with cymbals and piano strings too I believe though I've not had the chance to try it for myself (don't have a spare piano to screw with )

Hope this helps...

[Lunch Money]

Jeez... dry ice...

I never woulda thunk in a million years. I'll have to look into that one.

Greg

[tee boy]

Mate, that is an interesting technique , not one iv heard before thats for sure! Please excuse my daftness, but how would you place dry ice on your guitar without totally trashing it?

[Sicklecell666]

Mate, that is an interesting technique , not one iv heard before thats for sure! Please excuse my daftness, but how would you place dry ice on your guitar without totally trashing it?

Ok, I'm not the only one that occured to..

guess you need to wear gloves as well, or hold it in tongs or something..

[rockstarfx]

I read about a cool effect that Trent (NIN) used. I haven't (yet) seen a VSTi that could do this. It may be possible in Reaktor, and if so... I'd sure love to actually know how. He used some modular synth called Turbo Synth to do this:

Create a patch that will take an incoming signal and use it as an oscillator. Then have a sub oscillator (maybe a sine or pulse wave) mix in with the incoming signal. The thing is then to detune the sub oscillator. Supposedly if used with an incomming guitar signal it can make the guitar sound very heavy. He also said running vocals through it was amazing.

I wish I knew how to do it... But I can't find anything that will use an incoming signal and mix with a wave-generated sub oscillator

SynthEdit can do this. Try Ralph Gonzalez's module, NewWave. It can turn your guitar into as many detuned oscillators as you need. I can give you a VST effect that does this, if you'd like.

[Sicklecell666]

I read about a cool effect that Trent (NIN) used. I haven't (yet) seen a VSTi that could do this. It may be possible in Reaktor, and if so... I'd sure love to actually know how. He used some modular synth called Turbo Synth to do this:

Create a patch that will take an incoming signal and use it as an oscillator. Then have a sub oscillator (maybe a sine or pulse wave) mix in with the incoming signal. The thing is then to detune the sub oscillator. Supposedly if used with an incomming guitar signal it can make the guitar sound very heavy. He also said running vocals through it was amazing.

I wish I knew how to do it... But I can't find anything that will use an incoming signal and mix with a wave-generated sub oscillator

SynthEdit can do this. Try Ralph Gonzalez's module, NewWave. It can turn your guitar into as many detuned oscillators as you need. I can give you a VST effect that does this, if you'd like.

yeah, yeah!

How's the muddafucka coming along, btw?

[MacButch]

Mate, that is an interesting technique , not one iv heard before thats for sure! Please excuse my daftness, but how would you place dry ice on your guitar without totally trashing it?

Well... it doesn't seem to do any harm but ya'd want to be careful, for sure. I have a cheap old Yamaha guitar that I didn't mind risking some damage to. You'd want to be careful of the finish if you cared about it and keep it away from the pickups.

As for handling the dry ice itself - I just wrapped it up in paper towel from memory but gloves would be better for sure. If I get a chance tonight I'll post some samples of the kinda sounds you can get.

I got the idea from some interview about how they made some sound effects for the matrix movies...

[tee boy]

Yeh that would be great! Time to get the oven mitts out it think

[digitaldoom]

I read about a cool effect that Trent (NIN) used. I haven't (yet) seen a VSTi that could do this. It may be possible in Reaktor, and if so... I'd sure love to actually know how. He used some modular synth called Turbo Synth to do this:

Create a patch that will take an incoming signal and use it as an oscillator. Then have a sub oscillator (maybe a sine or pulse wave) mix in with the incoming signal. The thing is then to detune the sub oscillator. Supposedly if used with an incomming guitar signal it can make the guitar sound very heavy. He also said running vocals through it was amazing.

I wish I knew how to do it... But I can't find anything that will use an incoming signal and mix with a wave-generated sub oscillator

SynthEdit can do this. Try Ralph Gonzalez's module, NewWave. It can turn your guitar into as many detuned oscillators as you need. I can give you a VST effect that does this, if you'd like.

That's awesome!!!! A free VST to do this???? Cool!!! PM me with the info....

Now it's finally time to tune up the guitar, play some thrashing powerchords... then throw it into this NewWave module!!!!

[rockstarfx]

Alright, DD, I made a little VST for you and any other guitarists looking for an unorthodox guitar sound. I call it... NIN-OSC.

- play one note at a time
- turn your guitar into two oscillators (sine, saw, ramp, triangle, pulse, or noise)
- detune each oscillator
- raise or lower the pitch by one or two octaves
- mix oscillators with the dry guitar signal

The following clip features two sine oscs, mixed with the dry signal, with one lowered an octave.

MP3 CLIP | VST DOWNLOAD

Not much to look at, but it does the job. There's a lot of potential in this, i.e., the ability to make complex VST guitar synths and Kantos-like effects. I'll get right on it.

[unknown user]

playing guitar with you dick is quite unorthodox

Altho for some guitarists it's quite orthodox to replace their dicks with their guitar

q.v. Nigel Tufnel and "eleven"

[digitaldoom]

Alright, DD, I made a little VST for you and any other guitarists looking for an unorthodox guitar sound. I call it... NIN-OSC.

- play one note at a time
- turn your guitar into two oscillators (sine, saw, ramp, triangle, pulse, or noise)
- detune each oscillator
- raise or lower the pitch by one or two octaves
- mix oscillators with the dry guitar signal

The following clip features two sine oscs, mixed with the dry signal, with one lowered an octave.

CLIP|DOWNLOAD

Not much to look at, but it does the job. There's a lot of potential in this, i.e., the ability to make complex VST guitar synths and Kantos-like effects. I'll get right on it.

Hey right on man! Do I run it as a VST effect on a channel I am playing my guitar through?

[Newbie Brad]

Alright, DD, I made a little VST for you and any other guitarists looking for an unorthodox guitar sound. I call it... NIN-OSC.

- play one note at a time
- turn your guitar into two oscillators (sine, saw, ramp, triangle, pulse, or noise)
- detune each oscillator
- raise or lower the pitch by one or two octaves
- mix oscillators with the dry guitar signal

The following clip features two sine oscs, mixed with the dry signal, with one lowered an octave.

CLIP|DOWNLOAD

Not much to look at, but it does the job. There's a lot of potential in this, i.e., the ability to make complex VST guitar synths and Kantos-like effects. I'll get right on it.

Very nice of you. Thanks in advance!

[Amberience]

I use my guitar with SpectrumWorx to get some pretty freaky sounds. It has a really good pitchshifter in it too, so emulating bass strings is possible.

I thought I might get some piezo pickups and stick them in my piano for an experiment.