Sytrus or Harmor?

[BBFG#]

Redownloaded the Sakura demo during the sale.
Ended up also demoing and ultimately buying RP SubBoomBass 2.

Image Line plugins seem overpriced to me and probably won't pick up without a better sale.

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[Dirtgrain]

Any word if Harmor will have a new version ever?

[jacksmyphs]

Harmor is calibrated for brownian noise so you may have to boost highs every time by global eq to get that type of clarity as in white noise calibrated synths. Another major drawback of harmor is forced harmonization inside oscillators i.e. on importing a noise sample it extracts harmonics from it instead of leaving noise as it is in which case you could load an img inside img module and develop needed sound i.e. img section could serve as a kind of photo developing film where noise sample would be source of light with all harmonics but this functionality is switched off for unknown reason. I would not say that it's as complex as people swear but there are some hard to understand, illogical things like necessity to set mix knob to the right waveform if unison is activated which is counterintuitive. So, while it's a strong audio weapon it's questionable if you can easily get more sounds from it than from advanced wavetable synths with already premade waveforms and sequences of waveforms. And to get smth complex out of harmor you need advanced knowledge of it or luck. So is it worth spending time on it which should actually be spent on creating music unless they pay you for making harmor presets...

[Daru925]

Harmus.

Personally I switched from sytrus to fm8, and I felt it was a step up at the time.
So while sutrus is excellent, if you already own other fm synth with mseg capabilities, I don't see much interest in sytrusing.

Harmor is a strange beast, it's nice for experimental sounds.

[SiliconDeath]

Ideally you'd have both

[Ah_Dziz]

Did image line start selling plugins that work outside of fruity loops again? Harmor does things that are hard to accomplish with other tools whereas sytrus does not. Otherwise they seem unrelated.

[jacksmyphs]

I would look into the side of a perfect resynth to start from a complex believable sound than from a primitive single waveform. But so far i have not found any additive resynth of such capability in vst2 form as i don't use vst3. Harmor surprisingly can create a beliavable acoustic imitation of real instrument if you figure out how to use img module to that purpose and if you load a lucky sample.

[whyterabbyt]

I would look into the side of a perfect resynth to start from a complex believable sound than from a primitive single waveform. But so far i have not found any additive resynth of such capability in vst2 form as i don't use vst3. Harmor surprisingly can create a beliavable acoustic imitation of real instrument if you figure out how to use img module to that purpose and if you load a lucky sample.

The thread wasnt specifically about resynthesis, and the OP has been banned from here for years. Please stop necroing ancient threads.

[pdxindy]

Ideally you'd have both

Having neither is ideal for me...

[pdxindy]

I would look into the side of a perfect resynth to start from a complex believable sound than from a primitive single waveform. But so far i have not found any additive resynth of such capability in vst2 form as i don't use vst3. Harmor surprisingly can create a beliavable acoustic imitation of real instrument if you figure out how to use img module to that purpose and if you load a lucky sample.

There are better synths for emulating acoustic instruments than Harmor (which is not particularly good at it)

[jacksmyphs]

You mean physical modelling software but they don't do resynthesys. The idea was to use available samples for modification but resynthesys quality is low. Try to resynth a violin and you will fail 100%. That harmor is more suitable for experimental stuff though its violin among factory presets is quite good compared to old plastic emulations from old substractive synths. If they added some mechanical noises it would be even more believable. Loading a sample of violin into img does not improve the synthesized one. On the contrary sound disintegrates. So in one cases img improves the result and in other cases it spoils it which is a lottery.

[pdxindy]

You mean physical modelling software but they don't do resynthesys.

If you want to spend your time trying to make organic natural/acoustic types sounds with resynthesis have at it. I've explored it enough over the years to know that physical modeling is better sounding, faster and more flexible and playable.

[IvyBirds]

You mean physical modelling software but they don't do resynthesys. The idea was to use available samples for modification but resynthesys quality is low. Try to resynth a violin and you will fail 100%. That harmor is more suitable for experimental stuff though its violin among factory presets is quite good compared to old plastic emulations from old substractive synths. If they added some mechanical noises it would be even more believable. Loading a sample of violin into img does not improve the synthesized one. On the contrary sound disintegrates. So in one cases img improves the result and in other cases it spoils it which is a lottery.

If you already have a good violin sample why would you want to resample it in 2025?

However the resynthesis engine inside of HALion7 can come pretty close

What resynthesis does best in 2025 is allow you to take that sample and transform it into something different

[__K__]

The question only had "this or that" as an answer.
My answer would otherwise be "both, but get Harmless too!"