Im want to become a producer

[imrae]

French horn players develop a good understanding of dynamics, phrasing, intervals, intonation, working in an ensemble... all things that would enhance the average bedroom techno production. At a more advanced level they need decent sheet music skills in order to sight-read with transposition.

[AcrossTheSky]

Start by spending a lot of time working with the stock tools that come with your DAW.
You mention Pro Tools and FL Studio. Do you have those already or are you just considering them?
If you are still looking for a DAW, Cakewalk by Bandlab is free and comes with a lot of high quality stuff if you're on Windows, and Logic is relatively cheap and comes with a ton of great stuff if you're on Mac.

Everybody is obsessed with plugins but plugins should be thought of as specialized tools for professionals. If you are a beginner, you simply do not need them (I'm talking about 3rd party plugins as opposed to stock plugins that come with your DAW).

It's like someone saying, I would like to start dabbling in photography, what high end lens should I buy first?
If you are starting, learn the basics. And there's no better way to do that than just spending a lot of time with whatever it is you already have.
Time, experience, and work are a thousand times more important than having a particular type of tool when you are just starting out.

After a while you will start to know what you are doing and then you will know what part of your tool set is lacking. You won't even have to ask. You will know.

Oh crap I spent like $5000 on plugins and didn't know I had to be pro first, damnit!!!!

You messed up.
Think of all the model train parts you could've bought with that money.

or Lego Technic blocks ...wont sound like synth though ...

[donkey tugger]

Start by spending a lot of time working with the stock tools that come with your DAW.
You mention Pro Tools and FL Studio. Do you have those already or are you just considering them?
If you are still looking for a DAW, Cakewalk by Bandlab is free and comes with a lot of high quality stuff if you're on Windows, and Logic is relatively cheap and comes with a ton of great stuff if you're on Mac.

Everybody is obsessed with plugins but plugins should be thought of as specialized tools for professionals. If you are a beginner, you simply do not need them (I'm talking about 3rd party plugins as opposed to stock plugins that come with your DAW).

It's like someone saying, I would like to start dabbling in photography, what high end lens should I buy first?
If you are starting, learn the basics. And there's no better way to do that than just spending a lot of time with whatever it is you already have.
Time, experience, and work are a thousand times more important than having a particular type of tool when you are just starting out.

After a while you will start to know what you are doing and then you will know what part of your tool set is lacking. You won't even have to ask. You will know.

Oh crap I spent like $5000 on plugins and didn't know I had to be pro first, damnit!!!!

You messed up.
Think of all the model train parts you could've bought with that money.

You never know....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50403561

[fmr]

French horn players develop a good understanding of dynamics, phrasing, intervals, intonation, working in an ensemble... all things that would enhance the average bedroom techno production. At a more advanced level they need decent sheet music skills in order to sight-read with transposition.

Thet don't "sight-read with transposition". Their scores are transposed, so they read the notes they play (which are not the notes that sound). It's the same with any other transposition instrument, like saxophones, english horn, clarinet, trumpet, etc.

[imrae]

French horn players develop a good understanding of dynamics, phrasing, intervals, intonation, working in an ensemble... all things that would enhance the average bedroom techno production. At a more advanced level they need decent sheet music skills in order to sight-read with transposition.

Thet don't "sight-read with transposition". Their scores are transposed, so they read the notes they play (which are not the notes that sound). It's the same with any other transposition instrument, like saxophones, english horn, clarinet, trumpet, etc.

It's in the Grade 6 syllabus, actually.
https://gb.abrsm.org/en/our-exams/brass ... n-grade-6/

Orchestral trumpet and horn players often need to read scores written for a different-sized instrument to the one they are holding.

[fmr]

French horn players develop a good understanding of dynamics, phrasing, intervals, intonation, working in an ensemble... all things that would enhance the average bedroom techno production. At a more advanced level they need decent sheet music skills in order to sight-read with transposition.

Thet don't "sight-read with transposition". Their scores are transposed, so they read the notes they play (which are not the notes that sound). It's the same with any other transposition instrument, like saxophones, english horn, clarinet, trumpet, etc.

It's in the Grade 6 syllabus, actually.
https://gb.abrsm.org/en/our-exams/brass ... n-grade-6/

Orchestral trumpet and horn players often need to read scores written for a different-sized instrument to the one they are holding.

Well... If they do, that's an unnecessary burden, IMO. I guess it's just an absurd requisite like so many colleges sometimes impose on their students. I don't believe you will be required to use that skill very often. But then, maybe you have more experience on that than me

What I'm saying is that transcribing the part would be much easier and safer. And what different size are french horns made, anyway? Aren't modern French Horns able to play pretty much any horn part written in the past?

Same question for trumpets.

[imrae]

Well... If they do, that's an unnecessary burden, IMO. I guess it's just an absurd requisite like so many colleges sometimes impose on their students. I don't believe you will be required to use that skill very often. But then, maybe you have more experience on that than me

When I was playing in teen/young-adult symphony orchestras it was a common grumble from the trumpet section.

What I'm saying is that transcribing the part would be much easier and safer.

Said trumpet-players would agree! But with a bit more practice/experience it become "safe" enough. And if they do happen to have access to an instrument in the corresponding key, then the part will likely feel and sound better to play.

And what different size are french horns made, anyway? Aren't modern French Horns able to play pretty much any horn part written in the past?

Bb is the main alternative (most orchestral horns are in F). "Double horns" can switch between both and play the full note range. Once the repertoire gets back to the era of natural horns, well... Mozart's horn concertos are mostly in Eb.

Same question for trumpets.

Yamaha sell trumpets in loads of keys: https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/music ... index.html

I vaguely recall Eb and C being used for symphonic stuff (with Bb the "standard").

Anyhow we're a bit sidetracked from my initial point, which was that learning an instrument tends to build a range of musical knowledge and skills. Getting horn lessons to write better pop songs is not as daft as it sounds.

[Local Man]

Start by spending a lot of time working with the stock tools that come with your DAW.
You mention Pro Tools and FL Studio. Do you have those already or are you just considering them?
If you are still looking for a DAW, Cakewalk by Bandlab is free and comes with a lot of high quality stuff if you're on Windows, and Logic is relatively cheap and comes with a ton of great stuff if you're on Mac.

Everybody is obsessed with plugins but plugins should be thought of as specialized tools for professionals. If you are a beginner, you simply do not need them (I'm talking about 3rd party plugins as opposed to stock plugins that come with your DAW).

It's like someone saying, I would like to start dabbling in photography, what high end lens should I buy first?
If you are starting, learn the basics. And there's no better way to do that than just spending a lot of time with whatever it is you already have.
Time, experience, and work are a thousand times more important than having a particular type of tool when you are just starting out.

After a while you will start to know what you are doing and then you will know what part of your tool set is lacking. You won't even have to ask. You will know.

Oh crap I spent like $5000 on plugins and didn't know I had to be pro first, damnit!!!!

You messed up.
Think of all the model train parts you could've bought with that money.

You never know....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50403561

Sexy!

[Forgotten]

French horn players develop a good understanding of dynamics, phrasing, intervals, intonation, working in an ensemble... all things that would enhance the average bedroom techno production. At a more advanced level they need decent sheet music skills in order to sight-read with transposition.

Thet don't "sight-read with transposition". Their scores are transposed, so they read the notes they play (which are not the notes that sound). It's the same with any other transposition instrument, like saxophones, english horn, clarinet, trumpet, etc.

But it’s a good skill to have - I do it for alto sax (not very good at it) because sometimes I want to play a piece of music that I can’t find transposed sheet music for.

[Septimon]

Anyhow we're a bit sidetracked from my initial point, which was that learning an instrument tends to build a range of musical knowledge and skills. Getting horn lessons to write better pop songs is not as daft as it sounds.

My comment was „post ironic“. I played in a brass band and the conductor always defended the French horn players saying French horn was the hardest of all brass instruments (the French horn players really sucked and all the others had to wait while they tried to get their stuff together).
Intonation is really difficult playing French horn.
French horn also reminds me of „Tromboner“ (Eric) in „sex education“ a really really cool character
And since OP disappeared I think we have the right to discuss brass instruments here.
I play tenor as well and find it useful being able to play sheets in concert key. Sometimes you don‘t have a Bb Notation with you and have to look into the pianists sheets

[Septimon]

Double post

[TheMaestro]

I can't believe that no one starts their list with "learn a musical instrument". This to me should be the number one priority - you don't need to learn it really well, just get some basics under your belt so you can play music...

I was presuming the OP already plays something. He mentioned that he has already written some songs. I agree that learning an instrument is important.

Without playing an instrument you don’t have the option to just figure things out, improvise, or just play for the enjoyment of playing.

Of course you have.

So you can play a melody in your head, changing the notes at random to try things out, or transposing it a few times in a row, then try it in major, or flatten a 5th, or any number of things that take a few seconds if have an instrument in front of you?

Christ... By "figuring things out," yes.

[Forgotten]

Good for you

[MMaarrkk]

I can't believe that no one starts their list with "learn a musical instrument". This to me should be the number one priority - you don't need to learn it really well, just get some basics under your belt so you can play music...

I believe that with a rather noticeable increase in the interest of becoming a producer, not many people are looking for such an answer, as it can be quite daunting. Knowing some piano can help to an enormous extent but at the same time using a DAW will teach most how to program a melody and in hand teach about key, chords, scales, etc., so the physical ability of playing isn't a necessity per se.

[Forgotten]

I can't believe that no one starts their list with "learn a musical instrument". This to me should be the number one priority - you don't need to learn it really well, just get some basics under your belt so you can play music...

I believe that with a rather noticeable increase in the interest of becoming a producer, not many people are looking for such an answer, as it can be quite daunting. Knowing some piano can help to an enormous extent but at the same time using a DAW will teach most how to program a melody and in hand teach about key, chords, scales, etc., so the physical ability of playing isn't a necessity per se.

It can be an enormous help in getting to where you want to go though. You don't even need to become good at doing it - there are plenty of successful artists who have never become good at playing an instrument, but they can play enough to write songs on the instrument.

There's definitely an increase in people wanting to be a 'producer', but the skillset should be viewed as broad, and learning even just the basics of an instrument is one of those skills.