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Musicians and GIGANTIC egos
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Robert Randolph Robert Randolph https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7328 - KVRAF
- 2226 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
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- KVRAF
- 7317 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
I think it takes a certain type of person to be a musician - the egotistical mentality is a common stereotype.
I think its more likely that to be a musician and to allow yourself to be open to criticism is one tough thing to do for some people. I know myself that I struggle to read reviews, even though they're generally very good, purely because I get hung up on every minor criticism.
I think a musician's ego is the equivalent of a boxer, who before the fight, slams his gloves together and roars to hype himself up so he can perform.
I think its more likely that to be a musician and to allow yourself to be open to criticism is one tough thing to do for some people. I know myself that I struggle to read reviews, even though they're generally very good, purely because I get hung up on every minor criticism.
I think a musician's ego is the equivalent of a boxer, who before the fight, slams his gloves together and roars to hype himself up so he can perform.
My Youtube Channel - Wires Dream Disasters
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I am my own toughest critic, yet I cannot bring myself to judge someone ele's music. I can comment on it, criticize technical issues. But you never would hear me say that sucks. Much of the nusic I listen to from forums are very outside of what I would buy, which I think is awesome. So I can't judge, it can be my thing or not, but it can't be bad.Amberience wrote:I think it takes a certain type of person to be a musician - the egotistical mentality is a common stereotype.
I think its more likely that to be a musician and to allow yourself to be open to criticism is one tough thing to do for some people. I know myself that I struggle to read reviews, even though they're generally very good, purely because I get hung up on every minor criticism.
I think a musician's ego is the equivalent of a boxer, who before the fight, slams his gloves together and roars to hype himself up so he can perform.
On the other hand I hear things in my songs I hate, yet if Gary Moore (one hell of a guitar player) did it or anyone else for the matter I would say "that's cool". Sometimes I have to push myself to things that I may consider cheesy. Like in Pour Me Another at the end of the second solo is what I call the nelson laugh. The first solo ends with one bend, I can't have people thinking I'm just copying and pasting so certain parts have to unique. I guess that's how innovation begins...
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 7317 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
I listen to a lot of the stuff I've made (My Songs) and I really like it. Some people will say certain technical things, like "that reverb is too long" and stuff like that. Sometimes I'll agree, sometimes I'll disagree. But I never change it.
Once a song of mine goes mp3 and gets uploaded, I'm finished with it. I don't like to dwell on songs. I only ever upload when I consider it complete.
I'm very liberal when it comes to things like that. I don't try to correct what other people percieve as a mistake or poor quality. I move on.
I've never sent any songs out to magazines or labels yet, I don't feel ready.
Once a song of mine goes mp3 and gets uploaded, I'm finished with it. I don't like to dwell on songs. I only ever upload when I consider it complete.
I'm very liberal when it comes to things like that. I don't try to correct what other people percieve as a mistake or poor quality. I move on.
I've never sent any songs out to magazines or labels yet, I don't feel ready.
My Youtube Channel - Wires Dream Disasters
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
it's gonna take me a long time to listen to all those songs 
I will though... 
I will though... The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 2217 posts since 15 Jul, 2003
when i was in college, i was doing a lot of technical theatre -- building sets, setting and running lights -- at that time I would have said actors
once i made the transition into the real world,
it turns out my time with actors was really only training for dealing with the phenomenal egos of certain engineers and esp. a slim minority of gifted but difficult software developers
perhaps something to do with having technical skills and creativity
for a few months I sat in playing drums with a band that shared a big house and was trying out players. They were really good, but their attitude was basically one run through the changes and if you didn't get it, you were either incompetent or not trying. (Fortunately like I said I was playing drums and didn't have to pick up chord changes in one run through)
I've run into the same attitude with a few software developers. The most recent case, the lead was disappointed I'd never written a full blown complex grammar parser, and so couldn't estimate the effort/schedule all that well -- so he went home and wrote it over the weekend.
once i made the transition into the real world,
it turns out my time with actors was really only training for dealing with the phenomenal egos of certain engineers and esp. a slim minority of gifted but difficult software developers
perhaps something to do with having technical skills and creativity
for a few months I sat in playing drums with a band that shared a big house and was trying out players. They were really good, but their attitude was basically one run through the changes and if you didn't get it, you were either incompetent or not trying. (Fortunately like I said I was playing drums and didn't have to pick up chord changes in one run through)
I've run into the same attitude with a few software developers. The most recent case, the lead was disappointed I'd never written a full blown complex grammar parser, and so couldn't estimate the effort/schedule all that well -- so he went home and wrote it over the weekend.
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- KVRAF
- 7317 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
Nice of the tosspot to give you the chance to prove yourself.wrench45us wrote:so he went home and wrote it over the weekend.
My Youtube Channel - Wires Dream Disasters
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- Banned
- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
"i'm an actor.." phrase makes me shudder just to type
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- KVRian
- 637 posts since 5 Sep, 2001 from Hollywood, Ca. one block East of the Jack in the Box
Musicians have to have an ego to survive.
It' a defense mechanism.
To be a musician is to have nobody on your side. People don't want to hear your stuff, anyone related to the business end of music is only out to steal from you and there is really no payoff other than making music.
...so it takes an enormous amount of self belief to persevere.
It's not that all musicians have huge egos, it's just that being a musician is so brutal that that the ones without huge egos quit.
It's survival of the egotist.
Conversely, the musicians I have known to have the lesser egos, or at least exhibit them less, are the ones who have already made it and are secure in their position.
Some of the most humble guys I've met were the ones from the biggest bands...
-S.
It' a defense mechanism.
To be a musician is to have nobody on your side. People don't want to hear your stuff, anyone related to the business end of music is only out to steal from you and there is really no payoff other than making music.
...so it takes an enormous amount of self belief to persevere.
It's not that all musicians have huge egos, it's just that being a musician is so brutal that that the ones without huge egos quit.
It's survival of the egotist.
Conversely, the musicians I have known to have the lesser egos, or at least exhibit them less, are the ones who have already made it and are secure in their position.
Some of the most humble guys I've met were the ones from the biggest bands...
-S.
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- Narcissistic Messiah
- 4565 posts since 8 Apr, 2002 from https://soundcloud.com/remcoh
survival of the egotist
that`s one way to put it
i think everyones important
i think to many people deny there existence by acting subordinate to "a boss" or "a company" or "a wife" or "a husband" or "a culture"
At times i like the big ego`s the most because somehow they dare to stand up for themselves or others.
in the words of the late great zappa : "the meek shall inherit nothing"
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- KVRian
- 1219 posts since 12 Aug, 2002
Which, if you study history at all, has a rather nasty habit of royally cocking up the world from time to time.At times i like the big ego`s the most because somehow they dare to stand up for themselves or others.
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu
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- KVRAF
- 1818 posts since 5 Apr, 2002 from Seattle, WA, USA
A key element to being successful in the business of music is being confident, both in yourself and your music. This is one thing seperates the 'could have beens' who never leave their bedroom from those who are out there tearing up stages and eventually the charts.
Therefore this ego thing you're talking about is a matter of selection.
Who is more likely to be heard, someone who modestly makes music in their bedroom, or someone who bugs every club owner in town and A&R dept?
Therefore this ego thing you're talking about is a matter of selection.
Who is more likely to be heard, someone who modestly makes music in their bedroom, or someone who bugs every club owner in town and A&R dept?
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Absolutely, couldn't agree more, seen it in action.Lady J wrote:A key element to being successful in the business of music is being confident, both in yourself and your music. This is one thing seperates the 'could have beens' who never leave their bedroom from those who are out there tearing up stages and eventually the charts.
Therefore this ego thing you're talking about is a matter of selection.
Who is more likely to be heard, someone who modestly makes music in their bedroom, or someone who bugs every club owner in town and A&R dept?
Personally, I'd rather be one of these, 'could have beens'; sell a few of me CDs, do a few other music bits and bobs now and then, but generally have f**k all to do with any kind of nutneckery.